- Little Jo Wheek
They don´t require 4-H shows to be sanctioned or have licensed judges, but it is true that she might have become a judge in the last couple of years.
I just emailed my first list of numbers.
And what´s this about a rail road???? Gee, when some OTHER people tried to do this we were chastised for not staying in our own back yard. OR were we chastised just because you didn´t like us?
No worries, never got any call backs from the breeders around here. Gave up on them before I even got started. That was just an amusing idea anyway.I´ll be sure to warn all the decent, honest, caring breeders I know that some overzelous people might be contacting them.
You would think a ´rescuer´ would know the definition of rescue. You know full well the area where we disagree, and that´s breeding and pet overpopulation and animals being put down in shelters as a result. Do you want to raise the debate again here?What´s the definition of rescue? I thought it was saving animals that are being malnourished and mistreated.
And where exactly did you get that notion? I sure as heck don´t have to like or dislike anybody for MY definition of a rescue. It´s what they do with their animals, the policies they go by, the care they provide, their adoption criteria, their stance on breeding and showing, what they espouse publicly and the examples they set that I use to judge whether or not someone is a ´rescue.´NOT animals owned by people you dislike.
And to quote from the policies page on my cavy rescue website: "To anyone who breeds or shows as well as rescues, we applaud your efforts for whatever rescue you do." I think it´s nice that breeders also take in "malnourished and mistreated" animals. You know, if someone who bred didn´t do that, I would consider them a real low life. But sorry, no, that doesn´t make them a ´rescue´ in the traditional sense of the word.
Well, it´s done and over now. And in case you missed the national and international media, it actually wasn´t a railroad in the any normal sense of a rescue railroad. And I still very much stand by my criticism of sending pigs from one corner of the continent to another. You want to dredge up the past? Be my guest. Under normal circumstances, it is not necessary to ship pigs to find them homes. Large rescues happen all across the country throughout the year. There were quite a few this year all over. But with 700 homeless pigs in one area at one time AND the fact that we just had a huge placement of well over 300 guinea pigs less than a year ago, and 60-70 of them still remained, and the rescues here are active and full already, we needed to do something out of the ordinary. And out of the ordinary it was. AND, we got shelters and rescues involved all across the country. And we spread the message about rescue and adoption and care of the animals all across the country and then some. I was well aware of the population issues in the areas where we sent pigs and we worked with all the rescues in the area to make this a win/win for everyone. I surely hope this kind of situation never happens again.And what´s this about a rail road????
So, back to your point, "OR were we chastised just because you didn´t like us?" Chastised? Good grief. I met you. I liked you. What´s the problem here? It´s got nothing to do with anything other than breeding and showing. We philosophically disagree in a big way.
What happened? Did some breeder list finally figure out what was going on? Railroad the breeders? Railroad them into what?Railroad would be what they are trying to do to the breeders.
You know, there are a number of breeders on this forum who manage to participate quite intelligently. Why don´t you ask them if they´ve been ´railroaded.´ ?
- Almost Inbred
1) The posters are obviously unable or unwilling to realize the full magnitude of the pig overpopulation, so responding would be pointless.
2) You´re just too angry and amazed to put together a complete sentence.
Oops. Too late. Well, how many except for Teresa.
What I take issue with in this thread is the attitude of "I´ve got a few breeders that I´d like to harrass". Whether it´s a popular notion or not, breeders have the right to breed. Most of us take great care of our animals and sell within the fancy, not unload herds upon herds into the pet store system. I too have a problem with Ms. Betty Beebop who thinks she can make a quick buck by breeding thousands of pigs. I´ve been known to get people in touch with the local rescue if they are looking for a pet and not a show pig. I misread and I thought you wanted to harrass them more than to take fosters. (I was also giving a hard time about fostering, since I´m a breeder and someone worried I might breed the fosters. Seriously! People were that childish.)
But the other thing is that the rail road that was set up out of FL last year involved animals that had mostly already been adopted. I don´t see how carting them to homes out-of-state is any better/worse than carting them across the country without homes. It was certainly better than leaving them outside in the FL heat, where the ´rescue´ person had them.
- I GAVE, dammit!
I help with rescue and have seen the horrid graphic problems with breeding. I agree that there are good breeders out there. Most of the issues I´ve seen are with backyard irresponsible breeders. In a perfect world and in all my heart, everyone would love and want to adopt the lovable rescue mutts. I realize that show quality is difficult to acheive and the extra non-showable babies concern me. That does not make either you or me a bad person, just different in our opinions. I have very strong opinions about breeding and I practice them. That is what is right for me.
Perhaps we could all try to work together for the good of the piggies? I´m just a mom who may be totally naive. I´d like to believe we can all get along despite our philisophical differences. I think and hope that we are all doing the best that we can. Not one of us is perfect but hopefully, we can pick ourselves up and learn from our mistakes.
Welcome Jacqui. I´m new and haven´t seen you post before.
She breeds 6 or 7 different varieties. I can only guess she has quite a few pigs.
Without a doubt, I feel people who breed pigs should not view them as disposable, nor should they take on a regimen of breeding pigs without also assuming responsiblity for their care and having the funds to do so. A breeder truly needs to have a grasp of guinea pig health and must be responsible for the health of their animals.
There are issues of practicality (some illnesses are difficult to manage and buy only a limited amount of time) but basic health care should definitely be provided their animals. I am infinitely frustrated when someone writes me with a problem that cannot be treated at home and expects me to give them some magic bullet.
Whether you have a pet or breed pigs, a person has a responsibility for these lives.
- Almost Inbred
It´s as though they think the exception totally disproves the rule.
Jahcqui, I don´t know you, but from what Teresa´s said, I´m willing to believe that you, personally, are a responsible breeder. I know they exist. I´ve even known one. But for every responsible breeder, there´s 10 who aren´t. And I get angry when people try to defend an industry by stating that they (and their friends) are not that way.
Using that logic, then cigarettes don´t cause lung cancer because Grandpa smoked 3 packs a day for 60 years and died at 102 in a car wreck. And since Grandpa suffered no ill effects from smoking, then how dare we indict the cigarette companies or try to get them to take responsibility for the people they killed.
It just doesn´t make any sense.
These statements are supposed to assure me that your heart is in the right place, that you do ´the right thing´ and you are in the ´responsible´ breeder crowd. None of those statements assure me of anything as it relates to my position on breeding. We can go into a whole breeder/shower debate if you want to.Most of us take great care of our animals and sell within the fancy, not unload herds upon herds into the pet store system. I too have a problem with Ms. Betty Beebop who thinks she can make a quick buck by breeding thousands of pigs. I´ve been known to get people in touch with the local rescue if they are looking for a pet and not a show pig.
There were some other points I wanted to make, but I´ll let it go.
Time and time and time again, we constantly hear about the so-called "responsible" breeder. Well, I´m not surprised no breeder has ever bothered to challenge and/or debate point-by-point the now long-standing article submitted by Josephine on the Cavy Spirit site about the definition of the "responsible" breeder. Show me someone who steps up to the plate of that definition, then we´ll talk about breeding. No one I know of meets it--and it´s not like it´s not possible. And no one I know of has the chutzpah to argue against any of the points that make up the definition of the ´responsible´ breeder. It´s been there for going on a year now. And I know darn well the breeders read the page. http://www.cavyspirit.com/responsiblebreeder.htm I get enough low-brow, uninspired hate mail from them to prove it.