Being human means living in our society and making sense of it. The social and familial structure and who we are and the decisions we make accompany us through life.
Lack of belief in a god does not create a void, except in the view of people for whom a god is central to their lives.
I think we try to understand the apparent bad choices some people make because some of those choices are so horrendous. But that doesn't mean the construct applies to them.
We have an innate need to be part of something more than ourselves. Whether it's a biological family, a gang, an idealistic/political group, spiritual/religious group, etc.
Most of us have some need to find meaning in our existence. Often that meaning comes with a story we tell ourselves about taking care of other people, our families, our work, being "good" etc.
Why do we need to find meaning? Why is it so important to have a story where we connect to something more than just these biological bodies? Many times it's to feel connected to a greater "thing" out there somewhere. Sometimes that greater thing is religious, like a god. Sometimes it's a idealogie - caring for the planet, sometimes it's smaller - creating a life with people/animals you love and care for and trying to be "good".
I do believe we have an innate need to believe in something more, and to find a way to connect to that. Mostly in good ways. Unfortunately sometimes in destructive ways.
I've been reading about Seung He Cho and Adam Lanza, the shooters in the Virginia Tech and Sandy Hook massacres. Both of them killed themselves.
I know this couple was killed in a police shootout, but I can't get my head around it. I guess people who take down so many people, then kill themselves must be out of their minds with pain.
I'm also thinking of one of my cousins who was found dead with his young son in an apparent murder suicide. At least he didn't take anyone else down.
This was a lecture given by a pastor (I think that's what they call them in that denomination). His push was that G-d fills the void in the human being - all else leads to destruction. (When you follow G-d = do good, follow His will, be a better person, etc.)
I am with you on the "honorable, responsible, loving, community supporting atheists everywhere." I have met them. Some of the worst treatment I have ever received has been at the hands of so-called "G-d fearing people. I have met non-Christians who have been better 'Christians' (being loving caring people ) than professed Christians.
It's like the Ghandi quote: “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
I figure people have to right to choose their own path and do what they want as long as it does not impede other's people's rights.
I do agree with the 'void' idea though. For (well most) people, they want to have a sense of purpose in their life. They are going to fill it with something - G-d, a group, an ideal, alcohol, power, children, the search for money, the need to impress, the amount of 'toys' they have in their life.
I wish I could express it better. It's what jacqueline wrote. We need to find meaning in life, "to be part of something more than ourselves."
I just do not get the destructive, violent ways. It's the quote by Terence I have trouble understanding "I am human, and nothing of that which is human is alien to me."
It's what JaneDoe wrote. I can understand people wanting to die/being out of their minds with pain. I just do NOT get the people wanting to take others with them.
Look at this couple. They had a 6 month old child. You would think that child would be so very important, so precious to them. That they would want to be there for their child, to see her grow. Instead they abandoned her and chose destruction. They murdered people who were kind enough to give them a baby shower. How could they view those people as 'objects' to be killed in their self-destructive rampage?
I worry about babies hardly seeing their smiling Momma's face because a cell phone is in the way. What is that going to do to a kid's brain?
Wheekers, it seems like we live in a world when we no longer talk (using our voice/non verbal communication) to each other. Instead we hide behind computer screens, use text and social media to communicate; it is more convenient, but what message are those parents sending their kids.
Violence is on the rise (whether it is terrorists or not), and I wonder if some of it has to do with not having those verbal communication skills. I work with kids who have committed acts of violence; they have to learn how to communicate using words what they are feeling, instead of using guns, fists, knives and the like.
Also and unfortunately, people like Trump and others, despite their viewpoint, are using these different types of violent occurrences to stir people up to further their political ambitions and agenda. To use something so terrible for political gain is a sin.
Trump is literally making blatant racist remarks and being cheered for it. What is wrong with those people? From the history I’ve read and learned this is at least as bad as the Nazis. They had an entire country living in misery and however ignorant, looking to blame someone or something for their condition. The people at these Trump rallies appear to be middle class and above.
- For the Love of Pigs
Yeah! It's called demagoguery. Hitler a good example & there are lots of others - Huey Long, Joe McCarthy, George Wallace, to name a few Americans. In part it's using fear to manipulate people's opinions.
- For the Love of Pigs
Of course the Allies were angry with Germany - the loss of life was awful. But the draconian treaty really set things up for a second world war. A bit of enlightened self-interest was in order.
OK. Carry on. I'm really interested in WWII & couldn't resist expounding.