Not arguing with you bpatters because I read more about how Trump and other republicans have done worse in many news articles. But that doesn't make what he did less hurtful for me, that others are pigs doesn't excuse another for being one, or on their way to being one. Like my old man, I don't have a party affiliation and find it troubling how opposite sides react when something like this comes out. Predictable, the accuser party side is always trying to make it the end of the world and the guilty party side is making it less than it really is.
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I don't think anyone is excusing Franken. But I'm also not consigning him to the same category as Trump and Moore, both sexual predators with a predilection for pubescent girls, who have never apologized and have rationalized their behavior to an extreme degree.
I also don't think he's humiliating her. She's fully clothed, he's not touching her. If other incidents come out where he IS humiliating someone, I'm willing to change my mind.
But I would be willing to bet a considerable amount of money that we're going to see a rash of charges, whether trumped up or real, against Democrats, alleging sexual misconduct. That's the way the Republicans are doing business these days -- smear the opposition rather than confronting the problem head-on.
I don't defend any Republicans for similar or worse behavior, off with their heads I say. But I don't like the comparing of this person is worse and their party worse because of xyz. Damn, I hate to agree with my old man on political issues but I'm afraid the two party problem he's always hammering does have some validity.
I have to disagree about the humiliation, I do think he is humiliating her. She said she felt humiliated and by his own apology, he said we must listen and believe what women, when put in these situations say and feel. I am paraphrasing a bit but that is what I read, although it could also be the kissing incident which I believe happened. Are we not believing the person because no one saw it? If we do that, how many other women have been violated where no one saw it. Because he's AL Franken we should not believe her? (And I'm not saying anyone here doesn't believe her - I keep reading news reports, well no one really saw it, like that makes it ok.
None of this is ok but I don't think Franken should resign either. I think he can still do more good for our country but jeez lets stop throwing stones and get to work on issues and have these guys, all of them, stop the sophomoric (at best) and sexual assaults ( being the worst case) whether it's a Republican or a Democrat.
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I'm afraid I don't see how this relates at all to te number of political parties we have. How would more help?
That is a very telling article.
Sinclair Broadcasting Group is a propaganda machine of the worst order.It should also be noted that Tweeden just signed a book deal with Sinclair Broadcasting Group, which has also inked deals with prominent conservative voices, including Sebastian Gorka, Steve Bannon, and the Mercers.
As evidence has begun to spread that perhaps Tweeden had a political agenda behind her decision to name Franken, a growing movement of support has coalesced behind the Minnesota Senator.
He has had no one else step forward with accusations. This is not his pattern. That helps me. It's almost like you need a scorecard, to score and see who is worse. I tend to go by jury rules. Is the person deceptive? If so, you should throw out their "testimony" If they seem honest and open, I tend to believe them.
Franken has been upfront from the get go. He seems to be genuinely open and remorseful. The ones with many victims, and have been caught in endless lies, I would not trust with a ten foot pole. Names do not need be mentioned.
Not that little ol me maters a hill of beans but I don't know what to make of his statements. He is saying the right things, for women to speak up, to be heard and taken seriously, but that photo is HIM, Al Franken. He was the one with the stupid grin, hands reaching for breasts of a sleeping woman. He was the one forcibly kissing a woman. His statements sound to me like he's speaking about someone other than himself. It sounds like another type tactic to get out of trouble.
Or maybe he is genuine, I can't tell any more. In any event, I think he should be investigated. The worry with an investigation is that it will be a witch hunt by the other side. The other side will be accused of doing what the side they are investigating would do in the same situation if events were reversed, and on and on. They both do the same unproductive things, that's what i see although I still do lean towards one side's philosophy more than the other though and wish it they could put all this aside.
He has encouraged a senate investigation of his behavior. He has not badmouthed a single woman or said they are lying.
But as I think I said before, this is a distraction from people who have done much, much worse in all levels of government and business, for that matter.
That Franken has not badmouthed any women is good, he's doing what he is supposed to be doing. I was taught you don't get credit for doing what you are suppose to do when it very easy to do it. I agree there are those in Government who have done much worse, but I don't think that alone should let Franken off the hook.
I watched John Oliver, who I love, the other night, and he had a video of one of Trumps's mouth pieces responding to a question about one of Trumps stupid moves (pick any number of them) The mouth piece began answering the question about Trump''s behavior with all the things Democrats have done wrong, the emails, Bill Clinton's infidelity etc etc etc. Oliver stopped the video and went on a rant, correctly in my opinion, because these other things happened doesn't make what Trump did OK. It works both ways but I just wish if something is wrong, or someone does something wrong we can call it wrong. Same goes if someone does something great, or has a gear idea, we can all agree instead of finding fault because it didn't come from the right party. I am hearing more people my age agree. I believe in 20 - 30 years something will be very different about the party system we now have. Not sure what it will look like but pretty sure it's going to be different. I think the polarizing system we now have not working.
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Ive been watching a lot of old tv. Even back in the 80's jokery and off colored comments were used as comedy. Ineundos , sex jokes etc were pretty common place and accepted. Not exactly kitty-grabbing, but still. We've come a long way baby. Just saying some borderline stuff was okay when Franken tried to make a comical photo. And USO humor was largely based on that sort of humor, it was encouraged. In both sexes. Goldie Hawn on laugh-In was used often for those sorts of jokes.