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Bookfan
For the Love of Pigs

Post   » Thu Aug 17, 2017 4:29 pm


It probably won't happen yet, but
BREAKING: Articles of Impeachment Just Introduced Against Trump By Ranking Member Cohen

This has happened at least a couple of time in the last few months & went nowhere so don't get out the noise makers & party hats yet.

Below is a statement issued by Steve Cohen regarding his reasoning behind his decision: (long but really worth reading)

http://ir.net/news/politics/126960/breaking-articles-impeach ... urce=browser

“I have expressed great concerns about President Trump’s ability to lead our country in the Resolution of No Confidence (H.Res. 456) that I introduced in July with 29 of my colleagues; however, after the President’s comments on Saturday, August 12 and again on Tuesday, August 15 in response to the horrific events in Charlottesville, I believe the President should be impeached and removed from office. Instead of unequivocally condemning hateful actions by neo-Nazis, white nationalists and Klansmen following a national tragedy, the President said ‘there were very fine people on both sides.’ There are no good Nazis. There are no good Klansmen.”

“We fought a World War to defeat Nazis, and a Civil War to defeat the Confederacy. In reaction to the downfall of the Confederacy, and the subsequent passage of the Reconstruction Amendments to our constitution, the KKK embarked on a dastardly campaign to terrorize and intimidate African Americans from exercising their newly acquired civil rights. Subsequent incarnations of the Klan continued to terrorize African Americans with lynchings and civil rights murders such as the assassination of Medgar Evers and the killings of Schwerner, Chaney, Goodman and other civil rights workers.”

“When I watched the videos from the protests in Charlottesville, it reminded me of the videos I’ve seen of Kristallnacht in 1938 in Nazi Germany. It appeared that the Charlottesville protesters were chanting ‘Jews will not replace us’ and ‘blood and soil,’ an infamous Nazi slogan, as they marched with torches that conjured up images of Klan rallies. None of the marchers spewing such verbiage could be considered ‘very fine people’ as the President suggested. And it certainly appeared the participants were in lock-step. Some of the white nationalist protesters were interviewed by the media, such as Sean Patrick Nielsen. He said one of his three reasons for being there was ‘killing Jews.’ Another was Christopher Cantwell, one of the white nationalist leaders, who said he couldn’t watch ‘that Kushner bastard walk around with that beautiful girl’ and said he hoped ‘somebody like Donald Trump, but who does not give his daughter to a Jew,’ would lead this country. As a Jew and as an American and as a representative of an African American district, I am revolted by the fact that the President of the United States couldn’t stand up and unequivocally condemn Nazis who want to kill Jews and whose predecessors murdered 6 million Jews during the Holocaust, and could not unequivocally condemn Klansmen whose organization is dedicated to terrorizing African Americans.

“President Trump has failed the presidential test of moral leadership. No moral president would ever shy away from outright condemning hate, intolerance and bigotry. No moral president would ever question the values of Americans protesting in opposition of such actions, one of whom was murdered by one of the white nationalists. Senator John McCain rightfully tweeted this week that there was ‘no moral equivalency between racists and Americans standing up to defy hate.’ Senator Marco Rubio tweeted, “Very important for the nation to hear @potus describe events in #Charlottesville for what they are, a terror attack by #whitesupremacists.” President Trump has shown time and time again that he lacks the ethical and moral rectitude to be President of the United States. Not only has he potentially obstructed justice and potentially violated the Constitution’s Foreign Emoluments Clause, but he has also shown that he is incapable or unwilling to protect Americans from enemies, foreign and domestic. Neo-Nazis and the KKK are domestic terrorists. If the President can’t recognize the difference between these domestic terrorists and the people who oppose their anti-American attitudes, then he cannot defend us.”

Martin Niemöller, a prominent Protestant pastor who was an outspoken critic of Adolph Hitler, said:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

“They have come for me, and for the majority of my Congressional constituency. Accordingly, I must speak out today after what happened on Saturday and our President’s subsequent response. It is morally and legally incumbent upon me, based on my oath of office, to introduce articles of impeachment.”

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Lynx
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Post   » Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:47 pm


I am glad he made this statement. I have heard many similar arguments recently - if the Republicans do not act now, the outrage of several vocal republicans is meaningless.

Bookfan
For the Love of Pigs

Post   » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:01 pm


Husband & I were at a meet the candidate function. I was talking to an aid about the 25th amendment asking how many cabinet members were needed to invoke it. He said in practice, all would have to be on board otherwise it would look like a coup. So that's not really an option.

I can see his point. What ever happens, we're going to have to be able to move on as a stable democracy.

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Lynx
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Post   » Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:04 am


I never in my life thought it could be remotely possible to call a sitting president an incompetent vindictive racist pig. That a strong case can be made that he is, is mind blowing. That some republicans can continue to support him in order to get their radical agenda passed is a tragedy.

Edit: Liar-in-chief?

Donald Trump breaks the 1,000 lie barrier
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/22/1692296/-Donald-Trump-breaks-the-1-000-lie-barrier

The Washington Post has been keeping track of his outright lies and gravely misleading statements.
The Daily Kos article notes a few of the worst of the lies.

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Lynx
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Post   » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:56 pm


This has been making the rounds. Well crafted.


GPIG

Post   » Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:40 am


Why not a coup? I'm no constitutional expert but if I'm understanding the 25th amendment correctly, I think section 4, allows for only half the cabinet and the vice president to oust Trump.

We all know I voted for the guy knowing he was a moron, I had my reasons and I'd do it again knowing what I now know. We've seen what can and did happen when both parties can't get the pulse of the country and throw out choices like like Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush, Chris Christy and a candidate who believed it to be her turn because well it was her turn - a calamity just short of the destruction our country occurred - it's not Trumps fault. He's merely the natural conclusion of something that's been brewing for quite a while.

I don't feel America has realized Trump is merely a disgusting symptom of something much larger. The constitution provides so many tools to right the country. We need them all now, not because of Trump, but because he can be the catalyst for the American people to finally come to the realization the two party system has failed us and something different is necessary to save the country.

If removing Trump helps that to happen, I'm all for it, not because I think Pence is some type of savior, he isn't. I don't believe all is lost and hope we can, at some point, rise from the ashes. I think however, things will probably get worse before getting better. Ousting Trump would probably be the best direction to take if we hope to right ourselves. If one of the results of that action would allow the hard look America desperately needs to take of itself in everything from how we govern ourselves to foreign policy to race relations, etc by all means, oust away.

bpatters
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Post   » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:04 am


I'm not in favor of impeaching him. We then get Pence, and he's far worse. He's totally owned by the Kochs and the ALEC crowd, and he's a theocrat to boot. At least with Trump, he's such a klutz at governing that he effs it up all the time, and everybody has to scramble to react. It gives people time to plan some opposition.

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Lynx
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Post   » Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:55 am


Trump has done an immense amount of damage. Never forget the Mercers. Pence is in their pocket.

bpatters
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Post   » Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:25 am


Actually, Pence is in the Koch's pocket, and the Kochs and the Mercers aren't fond of each other. Interesting article here: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/23/the-danger-of-president-pence

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Lynx
RESIST

Post   » Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:01 pm


I didn't get through the whole article but it sure seems you're right!

Neither are the billionaires I want to run the country.

GPIG

Post   » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:18 pm


Good article bpatters, thanks for posting link.

This quote from the article is why, despite what people may think, I could never align myself with the conservative/republican party; "Upstairs, in a room reserved for Party élites, several of the richest and most conservative donors, all of whom support drastic reductions in government spending, were celebrating"

If you are worth a gazillion dollars why would you give a rats ass how much the government spent on social programs? It has no impact on their lives other than they may witness people receive some help and those lives might be a little less of a struggle. They are just a mean group of human beings.

Bookfan
For the Love of Pigs

Post   » Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:10 pm


It's because they're funding the social programs with their taxes and they don't like sharing their billions.

The main reason why Republicans in Congress want to get rid of the ACA is because it is mainly funded by taxes on the rich & corporations. Dump the ACA and they will be able to make that tax cuts they want in the budget bill to benefit you know who.

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Waddles
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Post   » Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:58 pm


"If you are worth a gazillion dollars why would you give a rats ass how much the government spent on social programs? It has no impact on their lives other than they may witness people receive some help and those lives might be a little less of a struggle. They are just a mean group of human beings."

I couldn't agree more, GPig. These few months have shown how mean, ruthless and greedy Republicans can be with absolutely zero compassion for their far less fortunate fellow human beings. Whatever happened to the concept of noblesse oblige?

Bookfan
For the Love of Pigs

Post   » Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:42 am


For many years I've thought of Republicans as the "we've got ours" party (and we don't care about anyone else).

My father was good at coming up with "enlightened self-interest" arguments to use in parrying with Republicans. Actually he was an Independent, but from Jimmy Carter on, he voted exclusively for Dem. presidential candidates.

I'm trying to think of an example of enlightened self-interest...but I'm having trouble coming up with one right now. The idea is you take an issue where the voter votes to his own advantage (most people do), and then present a bigger picture in which not voting self-interest actually benefits the voter more.

Good explanation here, still looking for an example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlightened_self-interest

"The nonprofit sector flourishes today because of the concept that people working together can not only serve their own interest, but can also serve the community as a whole. In addition, much of today's corporate philanthropy rests upon a base of enlightened self-interest. For example, corporations give contributions to scholarship programs. They do this to educate their future workers. These same corporations may also support cultural programs in the cities where their corporate headquarters are located; one motivation for their doing so may be to make those cities more attractive to the people they are recruiting to work for them."

from:
https://www.learningtogive.org/resources/enlightened-self-interest

How about this: an employer has policies that encourage employee satisfaction because those employees will be more likely to be productive.

bpatters
And got the T-shirt

Post   » Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:20 pm


How about businesses supporting public education because they'll have a better-educated workforce to choose from?

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mmeadow
Supporter 2004-2017

Post   » Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:54 pm


You could be someone who would never, ever deign to use public transportation, but you might support helping pay for it because it improves the flow of traffic on the routes you drive.

GPIG

Post   » Fri Nov 03, 2017 3:52 am


"How about businesses supporting public education because they'll have a better-educated workforce to choose from?"

You would think that would be a no brainier. big business is mostly run by conservative/Republican aligned people where education is mostly run by the liberal/Democrats. For business to support public education they would have to be ok with landing money over to the enemy. However, big business demands an education for any good job and if you have a degree from a place like Harvard, you're probably in.

The irony for me is that there is probably no place more left minded than Harvard, yet an education costs what about 100k per year? How many working class people can afford to pay that? So we have two different forms of hypocrisy and I would be back to beating my dead horse about the failure of the two party system.

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Lynx
RESIST

Post   » Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:05 am


There are a lot of good educational institutions. And life education, self education will make us all better people.

For these old, decrepit, rich men, they will need high quality medical care. They will benefit from advances in medical science. All science is intertwined with truth, discovery, and knowledge.

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