Princess - Bladder Sludge and UTI

ChadWPB

Post   » Fri Oct 01, 2004 10:16 pm


Well, I thought my piggie problems were over. Today we brought Princess to the vet since she was crying while peeing. X-rays were taken, urine analyzed, but even the visual I gotwas proof positive of bladder sludge. Urinalysis determined it to be calcium oxalate crystal in the urine.

Well, the sludge also irritated the urinary tract, which opened it up to a nasty infection. Bactrim was prescribed and also a diet low in oxalates.

To keep things easy, I suppose modifying all my pigs' diet wouldn't hurt.

Erin8607
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Post   » Fri Oct 01, 2004 10:17 pm


Ugh. Never ends, eh?

Good luck Princess.

ChadWPB

Post   » Fri Oct 01, 2004 10:20 pm


I hit the trifecta. All three pigs in that cage have been afflicted. Fortunately, Marilyn and Snuggles are doing very well.

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Lynx
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Post   » Sat Oct 02, 2004 12:12 am


I hope Princess does well too.

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snowflakey
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Post   » Sat Oct 02, 2004 10:42 am


Ugh. Good luck.

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Becky

Post   » Sat Oct 02, 2004 8:03 pm


If all three are affected, I'd consider environmental causes. What is their bedding?

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Lynx
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Post   » Sat Oct 02, 2004 8:15 pm


It could also be caused by urinary tract infections (whose bacteria may have been passed to the other pigs). Seems to me I read something about stones being related to urinary tract infections -- not well understood as far as what causes what and how it's related.

ChadWPB

Post   » Sun Oct 03, 2004 9:44 am


Becky, it was three completely different problems. Snuggles had an opportunistic infection shortly after a neuter. Marilyn had an uncomplicated UTI, and now this. Princess gt the UTI due to the sludge irritating her urinary tract.

We house three other pigs in a similar fashion. They're all quite healthy.

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Becky

Post   » Sun Oct 03, 2004 1:07 pm


Ah, OK. Sounds like you know the sources.

Shortly before Cookie passed away, Chippy had a UTI, so the first thing we did was look at environmental causes. It wasn't the case, but it's something for people to keep in mind.

ChadWPB

Post   » Mon Oct 04, 2004 10:26 am


Without a doubt, I always keep it in mind. One enviromental change I did make is spot cleaning both cages more stringently, as the pigs love to sleep in their pigloos and just "let fly".

Becky, aren't you the source for a lot of the stones diet info? I read up on it and it seems it's geared for prevention of calcium carbonate stones. Since Princess has calcium oxalate sludge, wouldn't it make sense to limit the oxalates as well as monitoring Ca:P levels?

Anyway, she has been a lot more comfortable since beginning the Bactrim. She hasn't been squealing while peeing, and is quite happy. Except when feeding her poop soup. We're dropping off another urine sample in two weeks for a progress check. At least as far as the sludge, I probably could collect an unofficial sample and look at it to see it that's improved any.

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Becky

Post   » Mon Oct 04, 2004 10:39 pm


I knew you were diligent in your husbandry. It just doesn't hurt to make the point here for people searching in the future.

I certainly would avoid many of the high oxalate foods, or just include very small quantities in a meal.

As we were discussing on another thread, there are vast differences in high oxalates. For example, spinach has 750 mg while escarole and endive have about 31. Both are listed as high, but obviously, on seperate ends of the spectrum.

Apparently, the important thing to do is not supersaturate any meal with too much oxalates.

I'd also strongly suggest she has a long course of Bactrim to try to "sterilize" the bladder. When Chippy's problems continued, we had her on a six week course.

ChadWPB

Post   » Tue Oct 05, 2004 8:22 am


We have enough Bactrim for roughly six weeks' treatment. We'll see if even the six weeks is enough.

ChadWPB

Post   » Thu Oct 07, 2004 3:14 pm


Just a little update:

Princess is doing rather well. Her weight is up approximately one ounce since treatment with Bactrim began, and she squeals a lot less while peeing. We've also made some necessary diet changes by lowering her oxalic acid intake (since she has calcium oxalate sludge). Even the gut flora's been kept nicely in check as her poops look like she's not even on AB's.

She's still her normal, bossy self.

We're still waiting for the culture results, and we are dropping off a sample for re-culturing next Friday.

double trouble

Post   » Thu Oct 07, 2004 9:45 pm


What kind of changes do you need to make for calcium carbonate crystals?

ChadWPB

Post   » Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:27 pm


Calcium carbonate crystal (the most common kind) are controlled by maintaining a proper Ca:P ratio of 1.5:1 to 2:1. Becky (same Becky in this thread) has a lot of experience with stone pigs and provided a lot of info for this page:

http://www.guinealynx.info/stones.html

Everything you need to know is there.

double trouble

Post   » Thu Oct 07, 2004 11:12 pm


Ok, I was reading the right info,then. It was hard to tell if in fact it pertained to calcium carbonate. I gave my first subque tonight and I will never do it again! I didn't penetrate the skin the first time and he squealed alot! The second time was not any easier. Their skin is much thicker than ours, plus a smaller surface area. I'm really thankful though for this site and people who are familiar with these things!

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Becky

Post   » Thu Oct 07, 2004 11:22 pm


The Ca:Ph ratio isn't just for stones. All pigs should have as favorable a ratio as possible. It's just more important for stone/sludge pigs since they have "issues" with calcium. All five of my pigs are on the same "diet."

Yes, they squeal when you give them a subcue. I also have a pig that squeals when another pig looks at her.

You have to weigh their discomfort against the benefits and make your decision.

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Lynx
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Post   » Fri Oct 08, 2004 12:27 am


Becky is absolutely right on that Ca:Ph ratio being good for all pigs. It's also good for many, many animals. I've read about problems with other species and they push the same ratios for those animals (herbivores).

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Post   » Fri Oct 08, 2004 6:46 am


Becky, would it be too much trouble for you to list what foods you give for the diet?

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Lynx
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Post   » Fri Oct 08, 2004 9:58 am


She has a detailed list on the stones page:

www.guinealynx.info/stones.html

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