Request for heart pig stories

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Mum
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Post   » Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:14 pm


Heddwyn is my pig (yes, my case studies), and these sounds are all involuntary!

Heddwyn, incidentally, is thriving on his lotensin, even at a good 6+ years old.

The sounds are very difficult to describe: think of the breathing sounds somebody makes with pneumonia, if you've ever heard that.

cookiewise

Post   » Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:53 pm


Thanks Mum

I have heard the clicking sound of pneumonia - in piggies and people - but never the other noises described. Yay for Heddwyn thriving on Lotensin - it certainly sounds like the wonder drug for heart problems.

I am really interested in behavioural changes in piggies and am monitoring (and filming) some odd new behaviours in my 5 year old boar Scruff.

Following his dramatic weight loss at new year (he was 1.3kg and is now thankfully stable at 1.08kg) I initially thought he may have heart issues.

He has taken to resting lying on his side, sometimes with a foot in the air; sometimes on his comfy chair, other times in the middle of the pen on a big pile of hay; often this 'resting' is accompanied by grumbling squeaks - especially when he tosses and turns a few times to find a better position.

The speed at which he jumps up and tears off when reminded he is a prey animal however, make me think that perhaps his relaxed and very laid back behaviour is symptomatic of contentment.

It's funny - in any of the younger pigs I'd find this behaviour terribly cute; in the Scruffmeister any noted change inevitably triggers a mild flutter of panic for me.

I suppose I'm still on edge after my losses in January because he eats well, is bright and lively (particularly when any of the lovely sows are in heat!!). He's just very bony and a bit slow to waken up at times.

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Mum
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Post   » Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:58 pm


He's just very bony and a bit slow to waken up at times.
Typical of a heart pig :-p

If you have a thread on this guy, we should add this on to it and not continue the discussion here!

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Lynx
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Post   » Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:49 pm


cookiewise, please ask questions about your pig on your "Neutering After Effects" thread (this will help keep this thread more focused on heart pig stories vs. questions).

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Jaycey
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Post   » Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:45 am


1 - Ace, American, pink eyed, orange coloured 3 and 1/2 years, unaltered boar
2 - lethargic, noisy breathing, eye troubles, URI
3 - x ray taken, heart looks ok (less than 60%), fluid in chest, so undiagnosed as yet
4 - Lasix (Prednicare) 1/4 1 mg tablet once a day, Baytril 0.4ml once a day
5 - still ongoing, awaiting Lotensin being prescribed
6 - Pea eye, dandruffy hair, eye problems (Osseus something, sorry can't remember the full name)

I'll update this when I get better results but I'm sure that Ace is a heart pig, he has alot of the symptoms but his heart looks fine on his xray

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Jaycey
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Post   » Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:25 am


Ah crap, I posted it wrong. I'm a fool when it comes to medication names.

For number 4 it should say:

Lasix 10 mg 1/4 tablet once a day (but I decided to give him half on a morning and half on an evening) - he's not on this at the moment
Prednicare 1 mg 1/4 tablet once a day - currently taking
Baytril 0.4ml once a day - currently taking

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AliceMcmallis
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Post   » Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:15 am


1 - Chloe, American, approx. 4 yrs old, intact female

2 - Pea eye, excess gas, lack of muscle tone, lack of energy, heavy breathing, weight loss, bumblefoot, hooting - in that order over an approx. 4-6 month period with the last four symptoms appearing within the last few weeks.

3 - Had a physical while she only had pea eye, gas, lack of muscle tone - was to monitor symptoms. Recheck and x-ray with heavy breathing, weight loss, etc. X-ray showed unambiguously an enlarged heart and fluid in lungs, plus large pockets of gas and bloating in the bowel.

4 - We will begin her on Lasix 2.5 mg twice a day and Fortekor (benazepril, dosage currently unknown) for the heart.

5 - results of treatment not known yet.

6 - No previous notable history of illness; Chloe is currently getting simethicone, cisapride and massages for the gas, fuciderm application, chlor hexidine solution soaks, Metacam and soft bedding for the feet, and is being supplemented with Critical Care.

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Post   » Fri May 02, 2008 8:08 pm


Updating Llewelyn's history from October 2006:

1 - breed, age and sex of pig: Llewelyn, approx 4, neutered male

2 - brief description of symptoms that made you suspect heart problems: recent weight loss, severe gurgling after neuter surgery which responded well to lasix, much quieter than previously. Yesterday brief rattling, heart murmur, this morning faint hooting.

3 - diagnostics done and the results: heart x-ray taken a year or so ago was normal. Not doing a new one at the moment

4 - treatment, med and dosage: lasix 3mg twice a day for about a week, lotensin 1mg twice a day

5 - results of treatment: TBD

6 - other med issues: arthritis in one knee

Weightloss continued over the past 18 months. In spite of handfeeding lost a huge amount of weight. Molars overgrew, and he had to have surgery - which was cut short when he started to gurgle. Came home and added in lasix 2mg twice daily, continued with lotensin at 1mg twice daily (he weighed 1lb 10 ounces). Was euthanized today. Necropsy showed:

Severe cardiomyopathy: both ventricles were so thickened there was almost no room left in the chamber.
Severe ascites and fluid around his heart.
Very large red cyst on one kidney, another very large clear cyst on the other kidney.

Llewelyn was estimated to be 6 or 7 years old.

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CavyHouse
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Post   » Wed May 07, 2008 11:53 am


1. Bert - American smoothhair adult male; age unknown when rescued 12/1/07;

2 - 12/12/07- Vet exam for crusty eyes; vet noted 4/6 grade heart murmur.

3 - XRay showed him to have a very enlarged heart.

4 - Enalapril .2 ml BID; (200mg Nealapril + 18 ml Oraplus + 2 ml Orasweet)

5 - Bert was gaining weight. Was 838 grams on 12/1/07; went to high of 910 grams. Started dropping a lot of weight around 4/15/08; Was drinking lots of water before this (16 oz daily between his buddy and him) but water consumption went way down too. Refused hand feedings. Didn't want veggies. Did followup XRay 4/25/08. Heart had decreased in size. Took blood for blood panel. I didn't get the results of blood panel because Bert was doing so poorly that we had him euthanized a few days later.
6 - Had 2 UTIs during treatment for heart condition.

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LAWomans
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Post   » Fri May 09, 2008 3:32 pm


1. Baby - Aby female - approx. 18 months old when I got her, 2 years old now.

2. Seen by vet because stopped eating - owner could not care for her. X-rays showed very enlarged heart. Had very fast heart rate and labored breathing.

3. Also, severe scurvy (she had no vitamin C for the year and a half the owner had her). Very small and underweight - 589 grams. She had to be syringe fed for 3 months, plus subcue fluids for 1 month. She now eats on her own, weighs 730 grams, but has chronic head tilt and behavioral problems. (Hides all of the time, bites, and does not interact with me or other pigs)

4. On 1cc Lotensin daily plus 1cc vitamin C. I also have her on .15cc of Meticam in case she is still in pain.

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Mum
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Post   » Fri May 09, 2008 5:50 pm


On 1cc Lotensin daily
Is this the 2mg/ml lotensin? In this case, for others who might be reading, this is 2mg of lotensin :-)

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LAWomans
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Post   » Tue May 13, 2008 7:34 pm


Sorry, it's .5cc twice a day, right?

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Mum
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Post   » Tue May 13, 2008 9:11 pm


Yes, 0.5cc at the concentration of 2mg/ml is 1mg.

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LAWomans
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Post   » Thu May 15, 2008 7:28 pm


Sorry Mum, I forgot about the 2mg/ml....that is what it is.

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pigsforlife3

Post   » Fri May 16, 2008 9:14 pm


1. Toffee is 1 year old, rex, female.
2. Hooting, coughing/sneezing, re-occuring URIs,
3. Vet listened to her heart and found it was slow, this combined with her other symptoms led the vet to put her on a trial of heart meds
4. Enalapril, half a 2.5mg tablet a day.
5. - Not known yet
6. - Not known yet

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pigsforlife3

Post   » Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:43 am


UPDATE:

1. Toffee is 1 year old, rex, female.
2. Hooting, coughing/sneezing, re-occuring URIs,
3. Vet listened to her heart and found it was slow, this combined with her other symptoms led the vet to put her on a trial of heart meds
4. Enalapril, half a 2.5mg tablet a day.
5. Positive response. No longer hoots, or sneeze/cough and as of yet *touch wood* no further URIs. She has had some scary episodes where she was "panting" (very pronounced breathing), but within an hour of taking her meds the breathing has significantly improved.
6. The vet did suggest we try and cut her doseage to a 1/4 of a tablet, compared to 1/2 a tablet but the result was that Toff started hooting again. So we are back up to 1/2 a tablet.

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BReit81

Post   » Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:38 am


1 - Louie- 11 months old, Golden Agouti American, male
2 - Coughing, hooting, persistent URIs
3 - Coughing was just awful and constant, crackling in lungs, put on antibiotics for one month and only got worse, put on antibiotics twice before that with no change, labored breathing, could hear him breathing from 3 feet away, vet took x-rays but we couldn't see an enlarged heart but could see that his lungs were not filled to capacity with air, possibly filled with fluid
4 - He recieves 3mg of Lasix twice a day and 1mg of Lotensin once a day (considering increasing that to twice a day based on Guinealynx info sheets)
5 - It's only been a day but I noticed increased activity and appetite only two hours after treatment
6 - Given 6 treatments of Ivermectin for mites

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LAWomans
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Post   » Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:28 pm


Update on Freddie.

He stopped eating three weeks ago and appeared to be in congestive heart failure. He was very quiet, and had coughed once or twice during the week.

I took him to the vet. immediately. He lungs sound clear but he had crusty eyes. No other symptoms.

He has been on Vetmedin, 1/4 of 1.25mg tablet twice a day. He was syringe fed 4 times a day.

As of today, he is improved, eats on his own and is more active, but still quiet. I still syringe feed him twice a day but he is only maintaining his weight. He weighed 2lbs 6oz for years and is now at 2lbs 2oz.

He is on .5cc Lotensin, twice a day, and .3cc Lasix once a day, plus the Vetmedin. The crusty eyes have improved.

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LAWomans
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Post   » Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:38 pm


Update on Eloise - 3year old sow.

She was returned by the adopter after Muffin died about 2 1/2 months ago.

She seemed depressed but stopped eating entirely at the same time Freddie did. It was during our really hot spell.

I took her to the vet and we thought she too was in heart failure.

She had lost a few ounces but is still a big pig at 2lbs 12oz. She has always had that early morning "heart pig" cough. People heart patients have the same thing. She was diagnosed at 6 months old with an enlarged heart.

She is currently on Vetmedin, 1/4 of a 1.25 tablet twice a day. .6cc Lotensin twice a day, and .4cc Lasix once a day. She has improved and is eating on her own.

She is still depressed acting and not her usual wheeking self, but this could be the loss of Muffin and the sudden change of environment. I have tried her with several pigs and she is extremely agressive, even drawing blood. She does not have any symptoms of cysts.

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sus4rabbitsnpigs

Post   » Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:04 pm


I meant to ask you how Freddie is. How old did the vet think he was? His shelter card said 1 when I got him but that's usually the default age in their system.

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