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LAWomans
"Live Long and Prosper"

Post   » Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:19 pm


When I had Freddie x-rayed when I first got him, he didn't have any signs of old age, like arthritis, so we don't really know. He was always quiet but would run up the ramp with no problem.

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LAWomans
"Live Long and Prosper"

Post   » Wed Aug 13, 2008 4:54 pm


Here is an update on Freddie. He is still responding well to the Vetmedin and Lotensin. He still has fluid in his lungs, especially in the morning, so is on 1cc Lasix per day. He is thin but eats and drinks on his own and even popcorns around the cage. I think the fact he has Polly as his cage mate helps him stay active. He has to share his food so is more interested in eating. I tried separating them at meal times so he would get more but then they both stopped eating. Polly needs piggy Weight Watchers from "helping" Freddie clean up all of the greens.

pinta

Post   » Wed Aug 13, 2008 5:54 pm


How many mgs lasix is 1cc?

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Mum
I GAVE, dammit!

Post   » Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:16 pm


10mgs/cc. I think Freddie gets 5mg twice daily, since he went into CHF.

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LAWomans
"Live Long and Prosper"

Post   » Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:09 pm


Mum,

Thanks...yes, Freddie is on .5cc twice daily. He still has congestion and rattles but is bright and is eating just fine. Once he coughs, it seems to help.

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RavenShade
Thanks for the Memories

Post   » Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:32 pm


Red was just put on .15 ml Benazapril (Lotensin) (2.6 mg/ml suspension) every 48 hours for suspected heart issues. He is not at this point on any other medication.

I brought him in for sounding like a coffee pot. He's also lost weight. The vet did an x ray and felt Red's heard was a little enlarged and that the lungs were not as clear as they should be.

He and his brothers are about 3.5 yrs old, and come from a very inbred family. I kind of expected this to crop up after his mother and sister died young and suddenly.

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Bugs Mom

Post   » Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:34 pm


What is Red's weight? No Lasix for the fluid in his lungs?

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Lynx
RESIST

Post   » Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:39 pm


I hope this helps him, RS.

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Mum
I GAVE, dammit!

Post   » Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:43 pm


Red was just put on .15 ml Benazapril (Lotensin) (2.6 mg/ml suspension) every 48 hours for suspected heart issues.
That dose is so low it won't do anything, in my experience. See if you can get your vet to increase it to the standard of 1mg/kg twice daily.

It sounds as if he also needs lasix for the fluid in his lungs.

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Bugs Mom

Post   » Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:46 pm


That's why I was asking. I'm glad you came along Mum.

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RavenShade
Thanks for the Memories

Post   » Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:55 am


I'll talk to the vet about the dose, but right now he's very much improved.

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mkkayla
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Post   » Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:44 am


OK my vet refuses to try prophylactic heart meds for Carmen. she says 'giving heart meds is dangerous, you can killthem, doing that' To which I said she is dying now, you don't know what is wrong with her, how can it hurt? she was unmoved and won't do it. It was very uncomfortable, on top of that she wants to trim her teeth, just to see if it will help, even though her teeth looked fine on exam, AND her teeth trimming rate just jumped close to 40% more than she used to charge.

Does anyone know if their vet will write a letter on their letterhead giving their reasons and evidence of benefit for starting cavies on heart meds just based on symptoms? It may be the only way to convince her. Carmen is dying but she still has fight left, I feel like I'm letting her down. She used to be a 1200 gram pig, weight now is 880-and she is still eating every veggie I offer. She is fighting the CC but I'm still able to get a decent amount into her. I don't know how much more weight she can lose, she is losing about 50-80 grams a week...

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Bugs Mom

Post   » Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:50 pm


Sorry, but your vet's an idiot! Any chance you can find a new one who's not afraid of new ideas? Did you remind them that this is your pig and at this point there's really nothing to lose by a trial of heart meds. I had to do that with my vet.

On the main Medical page accessable on the top of this page, under the heart section Mum's doctor, Dr. Ridgeway, has written on heart pigs. You might try printing that out for your vet.

I would leave the teeth alone at this point.

pinta

Post   » Tue Nov 11, 2008 5:15 pm


Would your vet be willing to consult with Dr. Ridgeway? Or even do some research on the net? She obviously has not been keeping up with heart disease protocols.

Finding another vet is defibnitely an option.

One last thought. Suggest euthanisation to your vet but say before Carmen is euthanised, you'd like to try heart meds just for the hell of it. Your vet would now be dealing with an animal that is going to die anyway so there is nothing to lose by treating her. Of course you won't be agreeing to euthanization without a trial of heart meds first. Basically, call your vet's bluff.

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Bugs Mom

Post   » Tue Nov 11, 2008 5:37 pm


Oooh, I like Pinta's idea.

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GuineaPinny

Post   » Tue Nov 11, 2008 5:43 pm


RavenShade that is the dose of Benazapril that my vet uses, and we have had good experience with it so far. He has advised against higher doses for numerous reasons. It is against the GL recommended treatment though, but in my area the guinea guru vets that I've asked have all recommended doses in that range.

Could this be a West vs. East thing? We have four pigs on heart meds so I don't think it is for lack of treatment.

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mkkayla
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Post   » Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:54 am


I already told her the next time she's being seeing us would be to euth her, she was unmoved. I'll call the vet that does ultrasounds, although I don't get a warm fuzzy about him either. There is really nothing else here. Closest town that would have a decent exotics vet would probably be St. Louis, MO 5 hours away, maybe Nashville at about 4 hours; either way, it's not a short drive.

ANd this morning, her compounded med is all congealed at the bottom and I can't get a dose out-it's probably been slowly thickening up since I got it on Thursday. I hate these dark bottles. I doubt she's been getting the right dose of Cipro, which may explain why she's still incontinent, peeing blood, and in pain. Calling the pharmacy as soon as they open.

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Lynx
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Post   » Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:10 am


That is crappy about the meds congealing! I would be very frustrated.

pinta

Post   » Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:18 am


A dog and cat vet with a brain would do. My vet isn't an exotics vet. She learned what she knows from my pigs.

GP Lover
My home, ruled by pigs!

Post   » Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:27 pm


Mkkyla, I went through the same thing with my vet once. He said "I don't practice that way" when I asked for heart meds. He refused without a firm diagnosis so I had to pay for an ultrasound which gave a very specific diagnosis of the heart problem. It bugged me because it did cost a lot to get the ultrasound.

I even brought in tons of case histories and he tried to contact Dr. Ridgeway but the call was never returned.

I hope things work out for you one way or the other.

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