Help needed...piggie with bloody scabs

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GP Lover
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Post   » Sun Nov 27, 2005 6:10 pm


Thanks for the info. I didn't realize it would take so long O:(.
The poor guy!

Talishan
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Post   » Sun Nov 27, 2005 11:43 pm


A steroid (Dex or pred) would help in the meantime. Anyone near GP Lover that has some they'd be willing to share?

GP Lover
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Post   » Wed Nov 30, 2005 4:05 pm


HA! The animal control officer just called...she's on her way over to pick up the cats!

Turns out an electrician went to the house and accidentally let the cats out of the basement. He called the health dept. for some reason and they contacted animal control. She went yesterday and found only 1 cat and the bird had been eaten by something. She said a raccoon may have gotten in the house because she found "half a tail of some animal on the living room floor and blood in the bird cage". How awful for the poor bird.

She called to ask me how many cats are supposed to be there. She also apologized and said "everything you said was true...I should have done something but we get a lot of crank calls...". DUH!!!!!

So, now I know for sure that I saved Jasper's life. His cage was right under the bird cage!

Talishan
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Post   » Wed Nov 30, 2005 9:05 pm


Oh man. Bless you again for taking him.

GP Lover
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Post   » Sun Dec 04, 2005 8:27 pm


Update: I bought the Ivermec, 1% injectable solution. I want to treat my girls because they are starting to itch and I'm worried they'll get infected too.

My question is based on the dosage chart, let's say for Annabelle, I'm supposed to give her 0.035cc. All I have in the house are .5 and 1cc syringes. Does this mean I need to get a smaller syringe to do this? It seems like such a small amount to measure.

GP Lover
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Post   » Sun Dec 04, 2005 9:53 pm


You need the Ivomec 1% injectable for cattle and swine. And you use it topically, a tiny drop in the bottom of a 1cc syringe.
This was posted my MUM on the "wood allergies" thread here in the Emergency forum.

Is it okay to dose like this?

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Mum
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Post   » Sun Dec 04, 2005 10:12 pm


Yes, you draw up just a tiny bit in the bottom of the syringe. I usually use a 1cc syringe. All you have are a couple of drops. I put one behind each ear, and rub it in with the finger of a surgical glove (you don't need one, it just ensures that the Ivermectin goes on the pig and not on you).

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snowflakey
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Post   » Sun Dec 04, 2005 10:27 pm


I actually measure my dose according to the dosing guidelines on the main GL site. I am bad bad bad with numbers, but it is something like .05 cc for my pigs? Essentially a drop, but I like to measure just to be sure.

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Mum
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Post   » Sun Dec 04, 2005 10:28 pm


Sorry, I meant to say, be sure to measure the correct dose exactly. Most of my pigs are around .05 to .06, but a smaller pig would be less of course.

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snowflakey
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Post   » Sun Dec 04, 2005 10:30 pm


You can also fold over the loose pig skin and rub the ivermectin in that way, if you don't have gloves.

How's your cute boy doin' GP Lover?

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Lynx
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Post   » Sun Dec 04, 2005 11:51 pm


It will help if you print this out:

www.guinealynx.info/topical_ivermectin.html

Just look for the right range. It doesn't have to be accurate to hundreths. Rounding is okay.

GP Lover
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Post   » Mon Dec 05, 2005 6:16 am


Lynx, I am referring to the chart when I ask the question....how do you measure 0.035cc???? Round it to what? The smallest syringe I have is .5cc. These dosages seem so small I don't understand how to do this.


"How's your cute boy doin' GP Lover?"

He's still scratching so I need to keep him wrapped up. I can't keep the wrap off until I know he won't scratch it. I have no idea if the second shot (the one I gave him) is doing anything because he ran from me and I don't know where the medication ended up.

I would prefer his next treatment be topical but I am trying to figure out how to do it.

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PauloF

Post   » Mon Dec 05, 2005 6:39 am


In this case round it to 0.04, which corresponds to about 1/10 of your 0.5cc syringe. I am not sure what are the subdivisons on a 0.5cc syringe, but I believe they should be easy to read/understand.

With a 1cc syringe, you have ten subdivisions corresponding to 0.1cc each. Each of these 0.1 subdivisions has five smaller subdivisions, each one corresponding to 0.02cc.

For your cavy, you need two of these divisions to get the rounded up 0.04cc dose.

I hope it helps.

GP Lover
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Post   » Mon Dec 05, 2005 6:50 am


Thanks Paulo. The first measure on the .5cc syringe is .05 so I need just a tad under that.

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Lynx
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Post   » Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:05 pm


Let me know if this helps:

Image

The yellow on the syringe is 0.05cc and the pink is 0.01cc. And I just added some aqua to show what 0.1cc would be.

GP Lover
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Post   » Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:49 am


Lynx, I apologize but your syringe has me more confused. I am finding the whole thing confusing, unfortunately.

I took a 1cc syringe, added a tip adapter, stuck it in the Ivomec and withdrew a small amount, less than half a cc. I then put one small drop behind everyone's ear.

Is this okay?

Unfortunately, Jasper is now scratching more than ever! I still have him wrapped up to prevent the scabs from being opened up again. He had two shots and 1 topical treatment in the last 3 weeks.

The vet was disappointed I gave him the 2nd shot after 7 days. He told me 2 weeks was what he said and it was based on the dosage. Well, anyway, I don't think the 2nd shot when in him anyway so that's why I gave him a topical treatment yesterday.

So, I have one shot left. The vet offered to give it to him if I can't. So, is the injection better or the topical for his 4th treatment?

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Lynx
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Post   » Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:58 am


If the dose rate is 0.5mg/kg, I would give it topically. If the dose rate is 0.2mg/kg, I would give it orally.

You have things confused. I think you gave the right dose but you are not reading things right. You said you gave a small amount, less than half a cc. What you probably gave was a small amount, less than half of a tenth of a cc.

The syringe pictured above is one cc. A half a cc means it would be filled all the way up to the 0.5cc mark (where the aqua color begins). It would be many drops, not a couple of drops.

GP Lover
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Post   » Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:34 am


"If the dose rate is 0.5mg/kg, I would give it topically. If the dose rate is 0.2mg/kg, I would give it orally."

I don't know what the dose rate is in the syringe. Are you suggesting I give the dose in the syringe orally?

I have the 1% Ivomec injectable on hand that I used topically on my girls and Jasper.

Yes, I understand now...I gave less than 1/2 a tenth of a cc. Is that an okay dose?

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Lynx
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Post   » Thu Dec 08, 2005 12:13 pm


Tell me how much one of your pigs weigh and how much you gave of the 1% solution and I can tell you what the rate was (if it's the topical or oral rate).

mg/kg is how many mg a pig of a kilo should get.

cc is the dose itself. Your solution is 10mg/cc so if you gave a whole cc to a pig weighing a kilo, you would be giving 10mg/kg -- waaaay too much (20 times what they should get topically).

The relationship between mg, cc, and weight can be confusing.

It's explained best in the medical guide under dosing.

GP Lover
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Post   » Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:11 pm


Annabelle weighs 750 grams and I used the chart for the 1% injectable solution to come up with the .04cc dose.

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