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kleenmama
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Post   » Sun Apr 09, 2006 11:49 am


Good luck truffie! I use Revolution now as it is so darn easy and you only have to treat once.
For some stupid reason, no matter how much I marked on the calendar, I would get to the third dose of ivermectin and miss the 7-10 day period, and then have to start over.
I think I got my Revolution from the vet though, not sure if feed stores carry it.

Dani had the same kind of problem with the hair coming out in little clumps, with a piece of skin attached, and always had tons of dandruff. She was treated with ivermectin many times, and it never solved the problem.
There was even a thread about this (started by Teresa, I think) because she had a pig with the same thing.
I never did find out what it was.
Good luck with Apple. I think all of us have that one time we go" How did we miss that!?" .

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truffie
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Post   » Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:00 pm


Gee, I wonder if it's something other than mites? I will treat her today (and the other pigs), but I wonder if a vet visit is in order, anyway? I'd hate to do 3-4 treatments and, a month from now, she's in the same shape as she is now. Ugh.

kleenmama
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Post   » Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:09 pm


You have to try for the mites first. I know with Dani, it really never seemed to bother her at all.
She won't be in the same shape, I also think it's mites that is causing the hair loss and skittishness.
I was just saying that the hair coming out in little clumps may be something else altogether.
Let us know if treating for mites cures that one thing.

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truffie
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Post   » Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:20 pm


Is Revolution a better way to go? I don't mind the multiple doses of Ivermectin, but would the Revolution work faster? Is it only available from a vet only? I will make the drive to the vet if it's for a better/faster solution.

kleenmama
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Post   » Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:27 pm


That is open to debate. There are lots of people on here that really prefer ivermectin, but I love the Revolution because it is one dose and you are done.
I'm not sure which is quicker, I used ivermectin (by the way, I had to get my propylene glycol from the vet) but once Revolution came on the scene, I have used that exclusively for about 2 years now.
Ivermectin is cheaper, I think.
I used REvolution with Molly and before two weeks were up, she was regrowing all her hair and was fine. She was not acting like she had mites, though, she had a lot of hairloss on her belly and some on her back.

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Lynx
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Post   » Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:28 pm


Ditto on the trying for mites first.

What I would do (not as severe as you describe) is shampoo with Nizoral shampoo, dry thoroughly, treat topically with ivermectin. This combination invariably helped with the hair clumps and skin pieces. The shampoo and ivermectin treatments would be repeated at least once (or more) every 7-10 days.

You need a good calendar so you don't forget the ivermectin. After a couple shampoos, you can continue with it for an additional few treatments if warranted.

Always draw individual doses of ivermectin and treat one pig at a time.

kleenmama
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Post   » Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:34 pm


Lynx, if she is that skittish and sore, I think giving her a bath will hurt like hell.
I would allow the mite treatment to work first for a couple weeks and then do the bath.
I think the scurfy skin thing is not nearly as irritating as the mites.
So sorry to disagree, poor truffie just wants to know what to do quickly! But I would not put her through a bath right now.
Just my opinion.

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truffie
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Post   » Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:49 pm


Okay, I have a plan. You guys are so enormously helpful. I really don't think I would have the physical strength to contain Apples for a bath, seriously. I can't even impress upon you guys how she HATES to be corralled in any way. She will sit stock still on a lap, and she didn't move or make a sound while I was picking through her fur for a good 10 minutes this morning (which is really, really odd, considering the pain she MUST be in), but if you're trying to hold her still in any way, forget it. So, I will do the Ivermectin, preferably topically, and poor Apples will just have to wait a few days before she feels better. Should I keep giving the Metacam for a week or so? Off to the tack store. I'm sure I'll be back before long with more questions:/

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truffie
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Post   » Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:50 pm


double post

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Lynx
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Post   » Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:52 pm


You certainly could do a couple ivermectin treatments and then try the shampoo if you wanted.

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truffie
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Post   » Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:55 pm


That's what I'll do - see if she seems any better after a couple of doses, then go for the bath. I read back over this thread and realized I keep flip-flopping on which method to use. I'm going to try to get the 1% injectable, and if they only have paste, then that will decide it for me.

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whittibo

Post   » Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:57 pm


Good choice! Get the paste and at least get her treated today if possible. Then you can always order the injectable. Others have ordered the pour on and I think it is easier to dose because you use more of it? But I haven't ever used it so I don't have any links. :(

I just think you'll get more doses out of the injectable. I gave about 1/4 of my bottle away, I have been using it for a year + on 3 pigs and still have more then half a bottle left. I think it will be old before I actually use it all.

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truffie
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Post   » Sun Apr 09, 2006 1:55 pm


Okay, I hope this is the right thing. I had someone at the shop help me. It's a tube that would treat a 1,250 lb. horse if I used the whole thing, and it is metered off at 250 lb. intervals. But, they had 2 potencies. The one I got is called Zimecterin Gold, and it is "ivermectin 1.55%/praziquantel 7.75% paste)". There was another one that was 1.87% Ivermectin. The clerk guessed I should go with the lesser potency since it's for a guinea pig. The tube was $10.90. Does this sound like the right thing?

Also, I thought I read something about mixing a new dose for each pig, or something like that?? Can't I just mix the paste with the 22cc water, and use a different syringe for each pig but draw from the same mixture, then toss it? I won't start till I know for sure that I'm doing it right.

They didn't have the 1% injectable, only more potent stuff.

kleenmama
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Post   » Sun Apr 09, 2006 2:45 pm


I always used the 1.87% ivermectin, plain. I don't know what the praziquantel is at all.

I'm so sorry, but I think you should have gotten the plain ivermectin.

You don't have to mix a new dose for each pig. I used propylene glycol, mixed with the Zimectrin in a baby food jar.
I would squeeze in the 250 lbs dose, then add the appropriate PG, then shake like mad. Then I would dose all the pigs, and refrigerate till the next dose in 7-10 days.

You can do the same thing when mixing with water, but you can't save it in the fridge. You will dose all the pigs, then toss the remainder. It's most of what you just made up, and the rest gets wasted, which is why I got the PG instead of water.

Evangeline

Post   » Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:24 pm


NO, NO, NO!!!! You do NOT want to use Praziquantel on a pig. What you bought is a tube of two insecticides. Straight Ivermectin is what you need.

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Lynx
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Post   » Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:35 pm


Ditto. But tiny little "no"s. Not such loud and scary ones.
What you got has two active ingredients, not one. You only want ivermectin as an active ingredient.

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whittibo

Post   » Sun Apr 09, 2006 5:30 pm


Bummer. I hope they will let you exchange it. :(

You shouldn't have to re-mix anything. I use the same syringe and need to draw the Ivermectin, have been using the same one for over a year now in fact. I think if you mix it with water, it's not stable, so you would have to throw out that 'batch' each time? (that's how I understand it anyway).

At least you know they have the right stuff. And this is a lot cheaper then taking all your pigs to the vet for treatment!

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truffie
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Post   » Sun Apr 09, 2006 5:44 pm


I'm sure I can exchange it, but then where the heck do I get straight Ivermectin?? I don't think they had it at the feed store, because I told her I need Ivermectin, and this is what she directed me to. We do have a feed store nearby; I've never been there but I can find out how to get there, and call and see if they have it. Or how about a regular drugstore? Would Walgreen's have it? Good grief, this poor pig is losing hair and I can't find the damn right stuff. Well, today is a bust. There is no place open this late on a Sunday - I guess I'll call a regular pharmacist and see if they have it, then try again tomorrow. If I can't get the straight stuff I'll take her to the vet, get a dose of Revolution and be done with the whole mess.

If anyone knows precisely where I could straight Ivermectin, do tell. It might end up being quicker driving the 40 miles to the vet:/
There's a bigger tack store I could try, but it's further than the vet!!

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whittibo

Post   » Sun Apr 09, 2006 5:45 pm


But, they had 2 potencies. The one I got is called Zimecterin Gold, and it is "ivermectin 1.55%/praziquantel 7.75% paste)". There was another one that was 1.87% Ivermectin.

I think you want 'the other one'.

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truffie
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Post   » Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:00 pm


Maybe. I should have looked closer - the 1.87% may or may not have had another ingredient, but I have to return this one anyway, so when I do that in the a.m., I'll double check for straight Iver and if they don't have it I'll try the feed store. If they don't have it, it's off to the vet, and then back home with a lighter wallet.
I've been so caught up in putting weight on Snickers that I neglected my neurotic little Apples, who might turn out to be not so neurotic after all. That would sure be nice.

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