I know what you mean about chatty pigs. I have a hard time with that with Piggy myself. All I can suggest is to try and hold her somewhat loosely and assume she'll struggle or try to escape it if isn't comfortable. I've never heard him fart but phew can you smell it!
They could be both cecal and soft poos. The few cecal pellets I've seen are definatly greener than regular poos. About the color of a forrest green crayon perhaps.
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You'll be able to tell. She may actually enjoy it, at least for a short while. But if not, she'll either make what you'll recognize as an aggravated noise, and if it's helping her, you may not necessarily want to stop just then. But if it really makes her uncomfortable, she'll let you know. She may make a sharp squeal, or some other noise that you'll immediately recognize as QUIT.
In my case, we used motility drugs, Reglan and Cisapride, after getting a clear Xray of the abdomen to make sure there were no blockages. A moving, working GI system passes the gas right on thru.
I also use herbal treatments, like Chamomile and Peppermint, quality herbs that I get from an herbalist friend--but these are not *proven* to work and there aren't really any known dosages, so I cannot tell others to use them or not--it's just my choice for my critters.
I was hoping there'd be some improvement by now. There was the slight weight gain, but the poos are still not right. She still sounds hollow while tapping her sides I *think* but I can't get a steady enough grab on her to tell.
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The string is a mucosal substance that I believe is produced in the intestinal tract. I think their bodies use it to 'encase' or form the normal feces.
This can be a sign of dehydration. Is she drinking enough? Try syringing her some unflavored Pedialyte. Most of them love it.
Unfortunately, the fecal next week sounds like a good idea. She may also benefit from subcutaneous fluids.
Not sure what else to say or think. It's obviously gas/gi but not sure what to make of it. Hmm.
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I have to chime in on this: I have a bunch of pigs on medication, and most of them are compounded. They are always compounded using Ora-Sweet which contains sorbitol.Somechick, be careful the Simethicone suspension you are using does not contain any of the sugar alcohols, as these cause gas and diarrhea in and of themselves, and are completely counterproductive to what you are trying to accomplish. They would be listed under inactive ingredients. Typical ones used are: Maltitol, Sorbitol, Xylitol.
I absolutely understand that any pig (or anybody) can have a reaction to an ingredient, but my thinking is that it's pretty rare, and that the amounts we use are small.
Klynne, I can appreciate your dismay to find that the cure was causing the problem with your pig, but I think it's risky to throw simethicone out of the medicine cabinet. Perhaps we should just treat it with respect, like Baytril, and watch carefully to see if it's working as it should.
What do you guys think? Should I do both? Just Reglan? Just sim.?
I've held off vegs when I first noticed this for two days and there was no change. I could try again though.
It's only REALLY tight-bubbly-hollow when the vet actively grabs her side to make it into a bubble. She also gets louder then. It might be pain or it could just be annoyance because someones grabbing at her sides. When she's just hanging out at home normally she does not feel tight.
Would bloat be something highly noticable to myself? I guess it would be very tight all over when in a relaxed/normal stance?
rshevin - I don't have the bottle with me so when I get home I'll check the stats on it. But whatever it is--the vet said to give .3cc every 4-6 hours. I thought that was a lot so I've only been doing it twice a day. He said I can't overdose on it so maybe I'm not giving enough and I'm doing more harm than good.
Maybe I should ask about bloat and cisapride?
PC *is* pooping, it's just not normal looking and not as frequent as my others. The vet gave me Reglan so I'm assuming he doesn't believe it would harm her. Should I get an x-ray anyway? Keep this Reglan/Simeth combo up until next Friday's visit?
Simethicone is a very benign drug. Giving not enough isn't doing any harm, but then it's not doing very much good, either. I believe that people here have used varying dosages--your vet certainly prescribed more than what's here on GL--
I think she's louder because she doesn't like the way the vet grabs her tummy!
I'm glad PC is pooping. That's definately a good sign. Before Piggy totally stopped pooping, he had oddly shappen, soft poos that seem to be similar to how you describe PC's.
There was one incidence about a year ago where he started getting funny poos and I aggressively treated with simethicone, 0.2mL 3xday and he returned to normal without becomming blocked. Depending on the concentration your vet gave you, it may or may not be more than is recommended on GL. I gave slightly more than recommended because I noticed 0.1mL wasn't really working. (What, you don't commit all pig medicines, contrations, dosses to memory? Teasing of course. I can't remember that stuff either.)
I do like to give Piggy the simethicone about 30 minutes before a GI stimulant (cisapride in my case). The idea is that something forcing GI movement with gas could be painful. I have NO evidence, scientific or anacdotal, that this is a good idea. It's something I made up but "it seemed like a good idea at the time."
I also agree she doesn't have full bloat. I had a very, very ill rescue pig develop bloat post-tooth trim and it was terrible. I think it's one of those awful things that's so bad you know it immediately when you see it. If you aren't positive, it isn't and that is a good thing.
There's some indication that PLAIN kaopectate can help with soft stools as well (http://www.guinealynx.info/motility.html#kaopectate) but I don't know about your situation. I'd be wary of giving too many meds. Hopefully the reglan will get things moving through correctly.
Try to encourage lots of movement and exercise as well.
When Tess had a full body xray and it showed that she had a lot of gas, the vet prescribed Cisapride, which she believes is the drug of choice. The problem with Cisapride is that it has to be sent out to a compounding pharmacist which can take a day or two to receive.