I know there must be some special techniques for restraining a pig for xray that some of the vet techs here can help you with. Maybe they use a foam cradle or something?
All I think there is to say now is to just keep watching and weighing her and treat her like the good pig she is. If you can't convince the vets of heart problems, I'm not sure what else you can do other than keep insisting.
I was just going to say that there is a newer Carpenter book -- the third edition. I put up info from the second edition but see I referenced the third edition.
Don't know if anyone could check to see if the Carpenter's values noted are the same in the third edition but that would be most appreciated.
Lynx - do you know if there are a norm or rule of thum of how large the x-ray "dose" required for a guinea pig is? My vet was surprised that the guidelines for dogs and cats did not fit at all.
I think the vet ordered the Carpenter et al., and the Quesenberry and Carpenter, and she discussed a bit back and forth with the bookstore person on what edition they had or could order, so I assume she will get the newest of both.
At least we afterwards agreed on that most older literature is inaccurate on guinea pigs, so she has gotten that point. She is eager to learn, it seems. And I will contribute to that by recommending her to other guinea pig owners, so hopefully she will have more patients to learn from, and with time be a really good piggi vet!
I just searched up the Quesenberry and Carpenter book through my book club (it has some sort of agreement with some of the lager publishers of books in English), and it seems I can get it in my mailbox in 10 - 20 days at a price of NOK 630,-, (= less than 100$) shipping included. That is not bad, really! Maybe a Christmas present for my guinea pigs and myself?
Then she was first put in with mellow Mango, and she run straight to her and sniffed her ears and under her chin, then along her sides all the way around her, then her ear again, and than she did something I never have seen her do: She popcorned! A bit careful, but she did it several times! And she looked so happy! As if she had started to doubt that she ever should see Mango or any other pig again in her life! When Pippi and Molly were put in the cage too, she greeted them enthusiastically and happy and made little chuckling sounds. It was touching to watch how happy she was when she got her friends back!
But this close monitoring has been worthwhile; we now have evidence that she is drinking about 160 ml/24 h.That is more than the 3 others usually will drink together in the same time, so I have now called the vet to make an appointment for full blood testing - under anesthesia. I don't like it, but I guess that is the only way to get good blood samples, as her veins are situated relatively deep under her skin - she is a bit on the fat side. The vet will call me back when they get appropriate masks - they have run out of the small ones and must order some new.
- I GAVE, dammit!
My vet's office have learned how to do the 'toenail overclip' method to collect blood.but I guess that is the only way to get good blood samples, as her veins are situated relatively deep under her skin -
Pretty unstressful, providing it's done properly by warming the foot first!
How cool that she's popcorning! My Piggy never popcorns either. Rarely he'll twitch his butt but never a full popcorn. Smudgie, however, is a champion popcorner so I'm hoping he'll teach Piggy how it's done.
Edit: I wish they'd just let her have a 2 week trial of the heart medicine. That would be so much easier.
I will also ask for the amount of blood required, as you suggest, rshevin. And bring up the issue of heart meds again - I agree that will be much easier!
- 4 the Good of all Pigs
I'd like to hear how your last visit went, if you've been able to get her in for more tests.
I also have a "plan B" if this leads to nowhere - that is to contact a relative that is a vet, and than persuade him to prescribe Forte or to Poppy. My relative live in an other part of the country, so I can't just take Poppy to him, but he has prescribed medicine to one of my piggies before, so I think he will do it again. I am sorry I don't have anything more to add at the moment!
The vet will be taking a bloodsample one way or the other - I hope I can convince her to do the tonail overclip, otherwise I guess Poppy has to be anesthetized.
Poppy has been fine all the time, becoming a bit more active now and then, but quickly goes back to her lazy habits. I wonder if I should do more to keep her active; I just don't know what!
At floortime she explores for a few minutes, then finds herself a comfortable spot and stays there most of the time. Maybe she chases one of the others a few times, but most of the time she relaxes, lazy girl.
I think she need some kind of excitment!
I'm just seeing this thread for the first time and wanted to wish you luck with figuring out what's going with Poppy.
I also wanted to say that it's so nice to see someone so well informed and concerned for the health of their animal companion. You're a good piggy parent. :) And wow....sounds like you found a great vet who's willing to learn. Good job!
Unfortunately we had to cancel today's vet visit because of the snow conditions - the snowfall lately has been so heavy that many roads are still blocked. The difficulty is not only to get the snow out of the roads, but also to get rid of it afterwards. Now it's piling up on sidewalks, at crossroads, in the parks and so on, so the local government has urged people not to use their car if not absolutely necessary.
I don't want to take Poppy out in the cold and then on the bus, so we rescheduled the appointment to Thursday - hopefully more of the snow is removed by then!