Candy - weightloss

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Post   » Fri Jan 19, 2007 1:47 am


Thanks, Pinta.

I'll see how she does the rest of this week.

One plus is that her fur is soft and in good condition, and her eyes look bright (for an older pig). She's alert and friendly, and I think she feels ok.

I hope I'll see some small weight gain soon.

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Post   » Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:23 pm


I'm with most everyone else, just sit back and watch and weigh repeatedly. Could be the stress of everything, and it isn't that much of a weight loss.

(LOL Talishan re: the chant)

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Post   » Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:10 pm


Candy has continued to bounce around in weight within an ounce or so (not more).

She drinks a ton of water, so I decided to check her blood glucose this morning as I had to cut her toenails anyway - I figured it was cheaper to buy a diabetic blood testing kit for $20 than to have blood drawn by the vet. It came out at 115, so at least I can rule out diabetes.

She's perkier than most of my heart pigs were without lotensin - not that she popcorns at all - she just seems pretty alert and doesn't sleep soundly. Of course I'd need an xray to get a better idea.

I'm hoping this week will see a small weight increase!

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rshevin

Post   » Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:57 pm


I hope she gains weight too!

I never thought of doing blood glucose myself from a toenail overclip. I did do a urine stick on Smudgie because I had some test strips left over from a project at work. That isn't the most accurate way to test of course. I may just have to invest in a small meter. I'd like to test myself on occasion too because well, I'm just nerdy like that.

Not every pig popcorns. I think I've seen Piggy try only once in nearly 2 years. Maybe it's his weight but he's otherwise active and I have no other cause to suspect heart issues.

Send Miss Candy a kiss and tastey snack from me.

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Post   » Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:04 pm


Just so you know, it was a regular toenail clip - I just knew that because her nails were pretty long that it was unlikely she'd had regular nail clippings. They always seem to bleed a little then!

The meter I got needs a very tiny sample - and it has the capillary action, so it's very easy to do.

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rshevin

Post   » Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:20 pm


I see what you mean. My definition of an "overclip" would be any time blood was drawn during trimming, even just a small drop but I suppose the real definition is clipping far enough up for a sufficent draw for a true analysis.

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Post   » Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:05 pm


I took Candy in for a checkup today.

In the initial checkup:

heart sounded even but very fast
obviously out of condition
slightly runny eyes attributed to general poor condition
urine sample showed no protein in the urine

I asked for an xray (I just couldn't help myself!):

heart ok
lungs - doughnut shape and some small whisps
clump of small stones, probably in the bladder.

There was some slight confusion about these stones: my vet said they are probably in the bladder, however if this is the case then the bladder has been pushed off to one side, since this isn't the bladder's expected location.

She's going to start bactrim for any lung infection and any possible bacteria from the stones. Surgery isn't an option for this fragile girl. The vet also wants her on lasix to help clear the fluid from the lungs. It's good that she drinks a ton of water - this will help flush any bladder stones out.

With any luck she'll pass this clump of stones and a properly balanced diet will minimize any chances of them reforming (keep your fingers crossed).

Interestingly enough, from the xray the vet doesn't think she's a really old pig - maybe 4 years old.

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sus4rabbitsnpigs

Post   » Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:07 pm


That's odd. Good luck.

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rshevin

Post   » Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:41 pm


Best wishes to Candy.

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Post   » Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:48 pm


Well, you should get an x-ray since you own the machine. ;-)

Hopefully she will pass the stones and as you mention, not reform them on a good diet and with good care. IMO 4 years of poor care = maybe 6 1/2 or 7 years 'effective' age, and the reverse as well. A well-cared-for 6 year old can be in 4 years' shape.

What does the doughnut shape and wisps in the lungs indicate?

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Post   » Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:02 pm


The vet was a little vague on the lung findings but initially suggested just lasix to clear them out. I thought an a/b might be useful, and then we decided to definitely add bactrim because of the stones also.

With any luck the lung issues will go away. Of course you know what I'm thinking there :-p

I forgot to add that the Ph of her urine was 8. I'm not finding the norms for this but will keep looking.

My 5+ year old Goldie looks in much better shape than Candy - in fact you'd never know Goldie is that old!

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rshevin

Post   » Tue Jan 23, 2007 6:34 pm


I wonder if she lived with a smoker. Whisps for some reason don't remind me of pneumonia but it's been a long time since my imaging class. I'll see if I can find my old radiology teaching files websites and flip through some human lung pictures.

Edit: The whisps were bright correct?

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Post   » Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:41 pm


Yes, the whisps were little streaks. I've seen them before too on other pig xrays.

And one doughnut!

It's not pneumonia, we know that.

I've ordered some shilintong also, just because it's something I've never had in my medicine cabinet. I'm assuming she might benefit from metacam too - this must be uncomfortable.

Talishan
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Post   » Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:45 pm


I would agree. If she's that thin, even if she doesn't have scurvy, she must be at least a little achy. I would think a low dose would help her.

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Post   » Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:53 pm


I'm sorry about the stones. I hope diet helps in the future.

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Topaz

Post   » Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:00 pm


*Healing thoughts* sent to Candy.

Laura

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Post   » Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:49 pm


"IMO 4 years of poor care = maybe 6 1/2 or 7 years 'effective' age

Ditto on this. Holds true for humans as well, given how I feel in the mornings <gr>

I think it sounds as if you have a very good plan for Candy, and hope she bounces back and gets to enjoy a second childhood, or, more likely her first, as she probably never got one before.

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Post   » Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:10 pm


Greetings! It was good to hear all about little Candy-pig. I hope she will continue to improve.

I guess I am in a somewhat similar situation with my Evelyn...I adopted her from a family and had no real idea of how she was cared for/fed. I think she was on crummy pellets but was getting decent hay. She developed a bladder stone in December but since then has been doing quite well. I know for certain she is 4 yrs. , 3 months old.

The reason I am posting this is Evey's weight...she has fluctuated between 888g and 915g since I started weighing her in early December. (She started at 910g and yesterday was 908g). She eats heartily and maws on hay, Oxbow pellets (about 1/4-1/3 cup a day), and fresh veggies. I really do not think she will put on a significant amount of additional weight. I think she is just a slightly built pig.

What I have really noticed is that her coat has improved noticeably since I started giving her high quality pellets and cut back on the excessive vitamin C her prior owner was giving her. Her fur is softer and smoother. I think the weight variation is mostly whether I catch her before or after a pee/poop fest. So, little Candy may not put on gobs of weight... But, I do think some of the ideas put forth by others may also have merit. You are giving her the best opportunity to thrive and it may take a bit of time.

Give her snuggle bunny cuddles!!

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Post   » Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:15 pm


Turns out Candy thinks Critical Care is absolutely delicious!

Last night she sucked down 35CC from a syringe in the space of a few minutes. This morning I stopped her at 30CC, because I don't want her not to eat her hay! I can't give her the stuff fast enough - poor girl acts as if she's starving, yet she's eating ok (although not many pellets).

I've never had a pig take to CC to quickly. She was very annoyed that I was giving it to her in a piddly 1cc syringe and couldn't get it into her fast enough, so I switched her to the 10cc oral syringe I keep for experienced CC pigs, and she just sucked it right out. This morning I just loaded 3 of those suckers up, and she snarfled it right out of all three (and was looking for more)!

Her water intake is incredible too - yesterday she drank (emptied) 16 ounces in less than 12 hours. This is a really good thing - perhaps she'll be able to flush some of those stones out by herself.

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Post   » Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:43 pm


I found that Evey seemed to like Critical Care when she needed it. Once her stone crisis passed, she was not as interested in the stuff. So good to hear that Candy pig is eating all that and drinking well. That sounds like very good news. Hopefully, she will flush the stone(s).

I'd be interesed in your thoughts on lower weight piggies. I saw on one of the Cavy Chat threads that you like to have a bit of meat on the piggies (not obese pigs but not skinny, either). I really don't know what more I could feed Evey to "beef her up."

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