Maggots on a burst CL lump-gross!

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JHand
For the love of pigs!

Post   » Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:43 pm


Oh Good! I am glad for you both (and the piggies)

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Serena
It started with Louie...

Post   » Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:42 pm


Good job Barbara. I hope the pigs recover fine and this becomes another happy ending.

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Onihrapiggy

Post   » Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:50 am


Completely off topic, but Barbara you have a swimming pool right outside of your bedroom!!!??? That is awesome. I'm jealous.

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dgarriques
Got Pigs?

Post   » Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:14 pm


Barbara any updates yet? You did such a wonderful thing to help these poor girls. I sure hope they will get all well. Bless you for all your kindness.

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luvmypigs2

Post   » Fri Feb 02, 2007 4:49 pm


How are the girls?

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Barbara Osborn
Supporter from '05 - '12

Post   » Fri Feb 02, 2007 4:50 pm


Ok, Sandy called Dr. Harper this afternoon and nothing has been done. She was in the neighborhood so she went in and brought the GP's home.

This vet says that he was only given authoirization to do an exam not a culture or a surgery. So he did nothing else.

He is prescibing chloramphenical for antibiotics. Is that OK?

Brandilynn
Who's your Branni?

Post   » Fri Feb 02, 2007 4:54 pm


Chlor is something you need to watch out for, pigs can lose appetence and crash quick with it. You should also have gloves for when you administer it.

grrrr to petno.

Josephine
Little Jo Wheek

Post   » Fri Feb 02, 2007 4:55 pm


Well, now you know how that works.

Chloro is fine, just watch for intolerance, since it can have a reputation like Baytril.

chii
I Love Lucy

Post   » Fri Feb 02, 2007 4:56 pm


If they're not giving probiotics, I'd push for them to start. It's never a bad idea when a pig is on antibiotics.

Talishan
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Post   » Fri Feb 02, 2007 5:07 pm


"This vet says that he was only given authoirization to do an exam not a culture or a surgery. So he did nothing else."

Of course not. He's petno's lack ... err, contract veterinarian.

Ditto BL, Josephine and Chii. Chlor penetrates bone, pus, and just about everything else in the body. In the absence of a culture, it's as good a broad-spectrum place to start, in my opinion, as any. Probiotics are even more important than "usual".

The only pig so far we've had to use it on did fine with it. As BL mentions, they can crash and crash fast and hard on it; see Slfalzone's thread on Teddy for details.

It can set up a fatal aplastic anemia in the human, which is not dose-dependent; that is, a tiny bit in a small cut on Sandy's hand is as likely (or not) to cause a problem as a large amount. The incidence is small, but Sandy needs to wear cheap disposable gloves when she is drawing and administering the dose, and wash her hands afterward. She just needs to be careful, not paranoid. Does she have small children? If so, they need not to be able to get anywhere near it.

If the vet at least did an exam, what were the results of his exam? Did he find "lumps", evidence of maggots? What was his assessment of their overall condition?
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Barbara Osborn
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Post   » Fri Feb 02, 2007 5:09 pm


They had the pigs overnight and they gave them no food other than what I had put in their cage yesterday morning.

Sandy got the impression from him that she should just go pick out two more pigs from PETCO.

Dr. Harper was very patronizing to Sandy and then to me on the phone. He chatized me for giving the pig Bactrim. He was a real creep on the phone.

I told Sandy that I would take them to my vet and I would pay for the treatment.

Sandy is coming over to my house tomorrow morning to get my Bactrim to get Snuggles on it again. Why wait until Monday for his Chloramphenicol? Why not start with Bactrim and see how it does?

Talishan
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Post   » Fri Feb 02, 2007 5:15 pm


Bactrim has a more limited range of action than chlor or Baytril. If you're shooting in the dark, you want a shotgun, not a rifle, because you don't know what you're shooting at. (Josephine, please correct me if I'm off-base here). It may also mess up a culture that a real vet (yours) will do.

If I were Sandy and/or you, I'd file a respectful, professional complaint against the creep with your state's licensing agency.

How are they doing otherwise? Are they eating, drinking, urinating, defecating ... acting normal or normal-ish?

"Sandy got the impression from him that she should just go pick out two more pigs from PETCO."

Of course. He works for petno and has their interests, not the patients', in first place.

Josephine
Little Jo Wheek

Post   » Fri Feb 02, 2007 5:15 pm


Yes. Barbara, I can't blame you for wanting to try, but this is not new news to any of us. Thank goodness, the pig is eating and didn't go hypoglycemic or something.

Yeah, it wouldn't be a bad idea to go with the Bactrim for now. It's really safe.

Josephine
Little Jo Wheek

Post   » Fri Feb 02, 2007 5:18 pm


You know, Talishan, that is a great argument about the antibiotics--especially since it probably is a nasty microbe. Most guinea pig abscesses are more of a challenge than abscesses in other areas.

Barbara, can you get the pig to your vet in the next day or so?

It wouldn't be a bad idea to file a complaint. Unfortunately, it doesn't sound like the vet did anything that could be reprimanded or fined. He was only acting through the "owner" which in this case was Petco since they were authorizing (or not) treatment.

HollyT
Get on your bike.

Post   » Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:30 pm


Well since Petno decided not to treat them properly and they were obviously very sick with MAGGOTS for crying out loud I'd yell kick and scream you were going to the press and corporate higher ups (not that it would matter). Bad, bad PR though. Keep copies of all the bills. That can't get away with this.

Talishan
You can quote me

Post   » Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:55 pm


Ditto HollyT. Keep copies of all the bills. Start with the store manager, then work your way up. Don't hesitate to imply you will go to the press and media outlets in your area.

If the infection is in fact CL, it is very contagious, not to mention whatever horrific conditions would give rise to maggots. Call the animal control authorities, humane society, and/or Dept. of Ag. (or whatever agency oversees conditions in pet stores, regulates, and licenses them in your state). I keep thinking of the other animals in that store, sick, suffering, cold, thirsty, maggot-ridden in some back room.

Call the Health Department handling that jurisdiction. Sometimes health departments are more responsive than anyone else.

petno has worked very hard in recent months, blowing smoke and turning mirrors, to make people think they have changed their ways and treat the animals better. It is a sham, but many average, everyday folks believe it.

UNDO IT. They know that you can, and I'll bet will ultimately reimburse you.

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mrpratt
Buddy-MJ-Kirk in '06

Post   » Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:12 pm


Don't just imply going to the press! Coming from a publishing backround - this is news worthy. Your piggies have survived in horrific cirumstances and there are others suffering. Those who do horrible things should be held accountable. Go to the press - save some of your piggies friends.

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mrpratt
Buddy-MJ-Kirk in '06

Post   » Sat Feb 03, 2007 2:01 pm


I just reread that post I think I meant background!

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Pooka and Pixie

Post   » Sat Feb 03, 2007 3:59 pm


Ditto mrpratt's idea- maggots crawling on a guinea pig- it's so disgusting and sad that it'd would sell and I bet Petco's animal sales would go down, even if only for a while!

I definitely think you should go to the press.

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Barbara Osborn
Supporter from '05 - '12

Post   » Sat Feb 03, 2007 4:11 pm


Today I went and got a sheet of coroplast. Sandy went to Target and got grids. We built a really nice 3X2 C&C cage with the grids under to make it on a stand.

I gave her my two heathly girls that I am tyring to rehome(Mimi and Ginger). I took her PETCO GP's (Noddle and Snuggles).

Her husband by now is just so sick of hearing about Guinea Pigs and their problems. And she was afraid the size of the cage next to his HUGE flat screen might just push him over the edge.

So we left her the well ones so he can't complain about their illness, just the size of the C&C cage.

She is having a super bowl party tomorrow. I asked her to put a beach towel over the cage so visiting children won't reach into the cage.

I have Noodle and Snuggles in my room and will keep treating with bactrim. If I need to take them to a vet, I'll take them to my vet and just pay for it out of my pocket.

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