Today there was some (vaginal?) discharge that looked like human discharge (looked like some of the photos I saw on other threads) and with that I don't want to risk waiting a week for my vet's ultrasound tech. From the other threads I've read, it could be normal, but since she's ill, I'm not taking that chance.
I'm not dumping my vet, but I'm going to tell her I'm going to this other place and the results will be faxed to her. I think she will understand. I called her today to talk to her about all of it, but she didn't call back, which is kind of normal, which I don't like. Guess I'll try again tomorrow.
Oh and Red Bank vet said that they shouldn't do any surgery if Henry's GI system isn't right - not eating/pooping normally etc.
But my question is, if she's not eating because she doesn't feel good, and she needs surgery to feel good, so she can eat, aren't I in a bit of a catch-22 here?
Edit: what is your experience with Chloramphenicol? I don't want any more drugs in the Baytril class, I'm done with those. What about clor?
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However, it's not the same kind/in the same class of drug. An animal that's had trouble with Baytril may or may not have trouble with chlor. You just really have to watch carefully.
Chlor penetrates pus, bone, just about everything. The only pig we've had yet to have to use it with did just fine on it. It seemed to help him, though he passed shortly thereafter from other causes. If Henry can tolerate it it will likely help her ... if she has an infection responsive to it. If she doesn't, it is of course pointless.
Anyway, I hope the vet can figure out what the heck's going on with Henry! I would definitely opt for bloodwork and an ultrasound at this point. Eye crust can be dehydration, too. Is she getting enough fluids? Bloodwork can also determine if the kidneys are functioning properly.
Yikes. Sending good thoughts your way this morning.
1) She also can't feel the mammary mass anymore, but doesn't know why. She said something there might have been inflamed due to reproductive issues and it has since gone down.
2) She noticed an "increased angulation" on her right back molar. She said this might have something to do with her not eating, or it might not. When Greg looked at it, he said it looked SO slight, he can't imagine it's causing her not to eat. Also it's not like she tries to eat and can't, she just doesn't eat. Doesn't go to her hay, bypasses peppers and carrots. It's not like she's trying and spitting it out or anything like that. For now, I'm going to assume this is not a teeth problem, especially since there's clearly something else going on.
3) She said that the drops of blood in her pee make her think it's reproductive, and that if it were a UTI, it would be more of a clot that was passed or more blood/less pee, instead of what I saw which was more pee/less blood.
4) She doesn't think the eye goop (now gone) has anything to do with anything, might have been a nasty coincidence.
5) They're doing an ultrasound soon. They will check the reproductive and kidney area. They hope to find something.
6) They wanted to do blood work, but I told them no, I'll have my vet do it tonight. It's just too expensive there and I don't want to pay for it IF the ultrasound does show something. I'm hoping that if it does, we don't need bloodwork. Is this a good assumption or no?
She also mentioned again putting her on Chlor, and a med to get her belly moving. Greg expressed reservations about the Chlor.
My concern is that they're going to say she needs a spay. But they say they won't do surgery if the gut is messed up. I don't know how to fix the gut if she wants her on meds that are going to mess her up. I wont administer any meds until I speak with my vet tonight.
This vet seems set on the fact that its either reproductive or teeth. I think that those two things are so far from each other, they shouldn't be confused. I don't think it's teeth. If it's reproductive - I want some pretty good proof.
This vet said the surgeons there have a 99.5% success rate with spay recovery. The charge is also $1200-$1500. Even Dr. Expensive was only $480. This is a huge decision - where to go if I need to get it done.
Ultrasound results later on...
edit: one thing she said that bothered me, she said if it was a uterine infection, the Bactrim would clear it up. I was under the impression that that is NOT the case. That pyometra = spay or death. Unless there are other milder uterine infections that are just like any other infection?
- Wheekness for Pigs
Since your piggie is having some digestion problems, have you tried giving her a little simethicone? (Baby Mylicon or something similar). It would probably be fairly benign and it might help with any gas build-up. I know when my piggie's diet is "off" she tends to get gassy which can contribute to a piggy feeling even more crummy... A little simethicone might help. Also, are you giving her any acidophilous or pro-biotic in conjunction with the antibiotics?
I have been mixing in Sanford poops with the critical care OR an acidophilous capsule. I don't know if one works better than the other or if either of them are working at all since things aren't changing. But yes, I am.
- I GAVE, dammit!
Holy *.* - that's absolutely unbelieveable!The charge is also $1200-$1500.
I hope you get some answers from the u/s. I also thought that pyometra had to be dealt with by spaying.
It's quite possible to have molar issues AND something else - the something else can contribute to the molar issues if the pig isn't eating properly, or hasn't been eating properly for some time.
Unfortunately I agree so I'm going to leave her there and just deal with the stupidly priced bill. I put in a call to my regular vet to talk to her about this because I want her to know what's going on and I don't want to step on her toes. I would probably have her/ her colleague do the spay, but she isn't free until the end of May and he only does surgery on Tuesday.
I feel up against a wall here. I guess this is the only course of action to take. I hope I'm making the right choice with these people. They seem to know their stuff and they do many spays. The small animal folks deal with small animals only. They don't spay, see, treat, etc. dogs or cats.
I'm very scared. I hope I'm doing the right thing and I hope my little H-nug does well. :(
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Best to Henry. If they really have a 99.5% success rate with spay recovery, then I'd say the $1500 is worth it. (Don't tell my husband I said that, though he'd probably agree.) For what it's worth, part of the price is that with surgery like this, they don't completely know what they will find and what they will have to do until they get in there. It's a procedure that can't be packaged, so to speak, and priced as a package procedure.
Wonder if the mammary mass has/had something to do with this.
Keep us posted.
Still unsure about the mammary mass. Vet said it could have been a lymph node that was inflamed. But she agrees that she no longer feels it.
I'm not interested in this huge bill and I honestly think it's an outrage to charge that much, but if this really is pyometra, it's not like I have time to wait. I'm kind of screwed in that area.
I just read the "my capu is bleeding" thread and she was spayed at Red Bank and seemed to turn out well. I'm hoping for the best, but also aware that something could go wrong, even at no fault of the surgeon.
We'll hear late afternoon tomorrow.
Please keep us posted. I'm just so sorry that this is happening.
However here's some more great news. Teeth roots are growing in the the jaw and her back right molar is at a 60degree angle instead of a 45degree angle like her other one. Henry never had a problem eating before so I never bothered to check the teeth. Why would I? She said this could have been an on going problem or it could have been exacerbated by the recent non-eating of hay and proper wear. Looks like we're up for a life of trimmings.
Big sigh to all of this. I hope she makes it out of surgery well.
However the whole thing didn't go over as I had hoped. When the doc called I expected to hear, "wow thank GOD we got that thing OUT!" but instead I heard, "when we went in there it wasn't as bad as we had expected, it wasn't ready to burst or badly inflamed". Okaaaaay.
So it turns out that not spaying probably wouldn't have killed her, and the doc gave me the standard "don't think of it as 'this wasn't necessary' think of it as we have prevented future problems". Right. She also said that since we saw blood, she's sure it was reproductive since her kidneys and bladder were fine. She's sending the uterus out for (I'm going to get this wrong) histopathy(?) to see what's exactly going on.
She also said there was some other parts she sent out for culture - something to do with some blood in the abdominal cavity? I was outside and didn't get all the facts since I didn't have paper. But she or a tech will call back later tonight with an update so I can ask again.
She still thinks teeth are playing a bigger part than we're giving them credit for. So did we spay for no good reason when we should have just filed a molar!?!! But that wouldn't cause blood in the urine so. God, I don't know. I'm actually pretty bummed out / annoyed / not feeling great about the whole thing now.
Maybe the eye goop was related to the teeth problem. I read on here that if it's the top teeth with the issue (which I believe it is) it could cause eye issues. Interesting. So maybe we do have a legitimate tooth problem on our hands. And maybe it was that tooth problem that lead to the lethargy and not wanting to eat, because she was in pain. Okay, I can buy that.
But that doesn't solve the blood in the urine issue OR the ultrasound showing an enlarged uterus with mucous. Which (unless there's something I don't know) isn't going to be related to teeth. So while I can sit here and be annoyed that maybe it's teeth after all, I might still have reason to suspect that it's clearly something else going on in uterine world.
My concern is that if it's turns out to NOT be uterine after all -- then what else can it be internally? Scary stuff.
- Little Jo Wheek
I hope the recovery from surgery goes well. I also hope that whatever teeth issues you find are easily managed. So sorry you have to go through this. It sounds like you have a fairly good handle on things as far as being a dedicated advocate for Henry's care and well-being.
Yet time and time again, I have to combat the "wisdom" from vets and other pet people that cavies are NOT low maintenance. Unfortunately, I know you already know this, but it still frustrates me when dealing with those people that think they are low maintenance pets!