Henry - crusty eyes, lethargic

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Post   » Sat May 12, 2007 6:13 am

When my pig was recovering from ovarian cyst surgery I picked her up by lifting her in something solid, rather than squashing her struggling body.

Anything the same size as the pig will do. I used the bottom half of a plastic igloo but any improvised tray/ cardboard box can be cut to give an walk in and an out ,with sides so they can't turn round.

This could then be tipped at an angle in ones lap so the pig then is standing on her back legs and gripping the front making it easier to capture the head between your hand and force the syringe into the unwilling mouth.

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Post   » Sat May 12, 2007 6:23 am

sorry double post don'tforget the comfy seat for you

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Post   » Sat May 12, 2007 9:23 am

Well I AM concerned about a/b intolerance. I've not had one pig who tolerated Baytril, not ONE. I said this to Dr. Brown last night and asked her what to do or how to know if she's not tolerating chlor, and you know what she said? "My advice to you is not to worry about it."

I'm so p*ssed about this whole thing. She's not going to give me another drug because I already talked about it all last night. She said she needs the chlor because she found stuff (she used a real word, not stuff, but I forget) in her ears that she doesn't normally see, and if it is teeth, it might be causing infections and problems in her ear/nose area. And the chlor will fight that.

And of course I ATTEMPT to call Dr. Duggan because I don't like any of this, and she has not once called me back. How aggressive can I be with her? Is she mad at me? Does she not want to call because Henry didn't go to her for the spay? WTF?

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Post   » Sat May 12, 2007 9:57 am

Well Dr Duggan left for maternity leave. So I don't know who to call or what to do.


Post   » Sat May 12, 2007 10:32 am

Wow this is a nightmare for you - did you know your vet would be going on maternity leave?

Why don't you try Dr.Doolen in Oakhurst. It is not much further than Red Bank. He should be in today & might at least be able to talk to you on the phone. He is very sympathetic. I have to warn you though that he is very against Chlor.

It sounds like Red Bank is being aggressive with the teeth & ears - I don't know why they would be though.

You said she is eating salad so that is good - give her whatever she likes - cater to her. I struggled with my bunny for a couple months & she is finally better. It is frustrating.

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Post   » Sat May 12, 2007 10:42 am

Well I knew she was pregnant, but she left due to an emergency so she wasn't supposed to leave now. Besides I called every day Tuesday-Thursday and didn't get a call back and she was still there then.

Maybe I'll try Dr. Doolen... can you mail me through the mailer his number? I guess my issue is I don't know who to listen to. The ones who did the spay or anyone else.

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Post   » Sat May 12, 2007 11:01 am

It sounds as if she found a bad ear infection and prescribed chlor for that. Sometimes chlor is the only thing that will work with thick pus, so I assume that's why it was prescribed.

If an ear infection goes untreated it can be very serious, as you know.

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Post   » Sat May 12, 2007 11:04 am

I don't know how far you drove to Red Bank but you can try Dr. Sedlacek at the Animal Clinic of Morris Plains or Dr. Schott at the Animal Hospital of Sussex Cty.

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Post   » Sat May 12, 2007 11:14 am

I'm in Ewing NJ, which is central NJ and right on the border of PA. Red Bank is one hour from me, across the state.

She never mentioned the words "ear infection" but she seems to think that there's something going on up in that area, possibly due to the teeth. Also it seems as if the eye goop might be back. But, from the way she talked, it seems as if they're prescribing the clor 'just in case' there's something going on up there. I don't know if we have proof. But at this point, I don't know what proof we have of anything!

Her belly also seems warm to me...which concerns me. I put in a call to Dr. Brown but on her voicemail it says she doesn't return calls until the late evening. I know no matter what vet I call today - if they haven't already seen Henry, they're not going to do much for me. I guess tomorrow I'll call Dr. Strunk at Red Bank and see if she wants to do anything.

I'll try calling these other guys mentioned here and see if they can do anything.

Capupebbles thread seemed a lot better than mine and she went to Red Bank.


Post   » Sat May 12, 2007 1:53 pm

If she's still eating on her own, she may be tolerating the chlor. My experiences are that the pig will not eat and sits with the head in a corner all puffed up if crashing on an AB.

It would be a good idea to take her in for a recheck if you are concerned about the warm belly.

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Post   » Sat May 12, 2007 4:15 pm

How is Henry doing this afternoon, SC?

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Post   » Sat May 12, 2007 5:06 pm

Being still. She doesn't move at all it seems. She lives in her pigloo. She's not eating or drinking anything, which is the same as before she went in. We're feeding her, but it's taking an hour to get 10ccs in. She's fighting and being a total nightmare. She's eating lettuce.

Her poops are long, thin, broken off at the ends, and few and far between. She also seems to eat most of her poops. She has only peed twice today (both times on my sofa so I'm sure she's doing it out of spite). The thing I'm noticing is that when she does eat, it sounds different. It almost sounds as if her teeth are rubbing wrong. I don't know if it's my paranoia about the teeth making me think it sounds weird, but to me it does.

So, I guess she's the same this afternoon.

I don't know if I should be worried about the warm belly. It's not just the incision that's hot, it's the entire shaved part is warmer than the fur part.

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Post   » Sat May 12, 2007 5:17 pm

I just wanted to let you know that we are thinking of you and Henry. You're a wonderful and caring piggy-mom.

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Post   » Sat May 12, 2007 5:46 pm

Darn it. Any luck getting a hold of a vet? Is Henry drinking water on her own?

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Post   » Sat May 12, 2007 6:22 pm

A spay is probably one of the most invasive procedures done on ... well, any animal. In my opinion she needs a light dose of a narcotic, such as Torbugesic.

Sending only Metacam home with a spay patient is like you having a complete ovariohysterectomy (outpatient, being sent home that day) and being given only 800 mg Motrin for it. Don't think so. For our major surgeries I give Torb for the first 36-48 hours (usually about one-half to two-thirds what they prescribe), then taper off the narcotic and ramp up the NSAID.

She may be dehydrated as well. A subcue could make a huge difference to her if it's possible for you to get her one.

If her teeth sound like they're rubbing wrong, they probably are. Listen to your gut. You're probably right.

Ask the vet (**any** vet that you can get a hold of, or that will return your calls???????) about the warm belly. Her skin is warmer than her fur, so a little "extra" warmth to the touch is to be expected. Not much, though.

This is starting to remind me of Roo

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Post   » Sat May 12, 2007 8:26 pm

Talishan, could she 'up' the Metacam if she can't get anything stronger this weekend? I can't remember if inappetance is an issue with Metacam or not, though...?

I'm really thinking the eye goop could be from dehydration, SC. Are you also forcing fluids?

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Post   » Sat May 12, 2007 9:13 pm

Two vets called me back earlier, one said I could up the Metacam, one said he didn't want to give advice without all the facts. I guess I forgot to ask any of them about warm belly. Dr. Doolen called me back, which I thought was lovely since I'm not even a patient of his. Both vets that called me back also agreed on the "wow, I don't see ab intolerance" and both assured me that chlor should be fine.

The Redbank vet is the one who didn't call me back. Seems like the vets who I'm actually patients of want nothing to do with me. But she's the one I need to call me back in case I need to go there tomorrow.

Am I the only person who brings a pig to these people who doesn't tolerate fluroquinolones!?!!

I'm starting to now think that this whole disaster is teeth related and I made the absolute worst decision I've ever made. I made little H-nug go through a surgery that she might not have needed and now she's dreadfully unhappy. I obviously can't do anything about the teeth until this is over with, but who knows how she'll keep up in the mean time. And then she's going to be in more pain when we do the teeth.

I'm trying to read about Roo (it's a bit slow so I only got to page 2). Henry never lost any weight though.

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Post   » Sat May 12, 2007 9:28 pm

Boyfriend said she just ate three pieces of hay and two pellets (the baby cavy ones).

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Post   » Sat May 12, 2007 9:29 pm

It does sound like she's dehydrated.

The good news is that it doesn't sound like antibiotic intolerance or GI stasis!

Does her warm belly have a large, squishy lump? That could be a hernia.

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Post   » Sat May 12, 2007 9:49 pm

She just pooped a ton, and peed. Some still look wrong, some look slightly okay. I don't know that I feel a large squishy lump anywhere, but I'm also trying not to bother her. It's just...warm in all the places she's shaved.

Dr. Brown just called back and said everything I'm seeing is normal. Henry had a fever coming in so it might still be that, she said about the warm. But when I mentioned that she's making a mess of herself when eating veggies, she wanted to see her tomorrow.

She said there might be -- not necessarily teeth issues -- but muscle or other inflammatory issues preventing proper movement of the tongue. So she said when Dr. Strunk sees her tomorrow she might want to move ahead with the teeth.

Even if I'm 100% convinced it's the teeth, I don't know that we should do anything so soon after the spay. I feel like I can't make up my mind here. I feel like she should really recover from this horror she's going through first, no?

Oh and they said they gave her bupronex in the hospital for the two days, but now she's on metacam. I asked about changing or doing it 2x a day and she said that she doesn't want to do that.

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