When he was doing the examination, he said his bet was on URI and heart, or both. He asked if there was any signs of pain when he peed or pooped. Just then Scooter peed and pooped on him without a sound being made. He said, well, that's a no. I told him that one of the things that crossed my mind was stones. He asked if there was ever any discharge or blood. I told him no. When I had put him in a cage by himself for those 2 days, I put dark fleece in for the 1st day (discharge) and light fleece the 2nd day (blood). I never saw anything.
So we were all surprised to see two large, pee sized stones in the xray. Not only that, but there is also a sack which has about 5 tiny little stones. He was very surprised he did not feel the 2 large ones, especially because of how think Scooter is. The other 2 vets held Scooter, felt for the stones, and could not feel them either. They are very high up. The sack is lower.
He wants to get some weight on Scooter before he operates. He is afraid he won't survive the surgery if he does it now. So, he is is back on Metacam and is also on Baytril. Yesterday, we aslo started him on poop soup with vit. B, acidophilus, and aluminum hydroxide. He is slowly getting a little of his appetite back. He is scheduled for next Tuesday to have them removed. I have to call Dr. R every 2 days to give him a progress report on his weight.
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I was asked tonight about the shape of the stones and the location. They are perfectly round and a pretty good size. It was mentioned that because of the shape of these stones, along with the size and quantity of the smaller ones, that this is not a good sign.
I don't know enough about how stones form so I want to get everyone's opinion. I was told that this probably means he is in kidney failure, and that is may not be in his best interest to put him through the ordeal of surgery. Of course, I want to do what is best for Scooter, and not just for me. I don't want to put him through more than his small little body can handle. Dr. R is always very optimistic and I am sure in mind Scooter will be ok. But if we remove the stones, and if he is able to get all of them, then what? Am I just tormenting Scooter and causing him mroe pain in the long run?
I would do the surgery.
All three of mine have had various surgeries, but not for stones.
In each case it improved their quality of life. Lightning lived almost a year and a half and VERY well after his abscess surgery.
Pandora has done very well almost seventeen months after her spay and Pippin is better than ever almost two years after he had his tummy lump removed.
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However, if this was happening to one of my pigs I would see if he improves enough for surgery, to give him a chance in case it's a one-time thing. And maybe with a special diet and other meds the stones could be held at bay.
But I know it's a tough decision to make.
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Also, if you have the surgery you might want to have Dr. R contact Michelle Hawkins and arrange to send her the stones. She is doing a bladder stone study and would be able to analyze them the give you information on them.
Michelle Hawkins, VMD Dipl. ABVP (Avian Practice)
Companion Avian and Exotic Pet Service
I'm sorry, I don't have any good advice for you but I'll definitely be thinking of you and Scooter.