Scooter has lost weight

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salana
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Post   » Wed May 30, 2007 10:40 pm


Did you have any bloodwork or urinalysis on him to see if he's in kidney failure?

Charybdis

Post   » Thu May 31, 2007 12:12 am


Not at this time. Just want to clarify--we discussed kidney malfunction as one of several possible causes of the stones, because we have seen similar clusters of numerous perfectly round stones in pigs with kidney problems. DaCourt is very careful with her Ca:Ph ratio; therefore we discussed also mineral imbalance, bladder pH, and bladder tumors as well.

Because of Scooter's frail state, the number of stones, and problems posed by the possibility of removing multiple stones in the urethra as well as the bladder, I suggested that DaCourt seek other opinions before the surgery.

My fears are that the vet will get in there and either miss or not be able to get at some of the stones (which has happened) or that the volume of stones is an indication of a serious underlying problem and that recurrence is inevitable. Either way, lots of heartbreak for DaCourt and her daughter.

I hope someone can give her a more optimistic range of possibilities.

(DaCourt, you don't have to refer to me as someone in OCCH--they know who that is).

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Mum
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Post   » Thu May 31, 2007 12:51 am


Candy also has a bunch (20-30) of tiny, perfectly round stones which Dr. R and my other vet are both puzzled by:

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This is not where her bladder should be, so nobody wants to operate.

She seems to be comfortable, but I think the outcome isn't going to be a good one.

Sometimes all you can do is wait and see. I'm sorry you're going through this.

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DaCourt

Post   » Thu May 31, 2007 1:57 am


Chary....I just wanted to be careful in mentioning people by name. I always error on the side of caution.

ChunkyPiggies

Post   » Thu May 31, 2007 2:23 am


Mum.. that is a freaky xray! The bladder *should* but that faintly white oblong thing dorsal (towards the back) to the pile of stones. I was going to suggest that maybe those arent stones but theyre the same whiteness as the bone so theyre pretty solid.

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Lynx
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Post   » Thu May 31, 2007 9:23 am


I think it's likely they're stones too.

Candy also has a bunch (20-30) of tiny, perfectly round stones

I think if they were removed, you would find that they are NOT perfectly rounded stones but instead a cluster of small, irregularly shaped stones with rough, pitted surfaces. Like mini-regular stones. There isn't enough detail in the xray to say they're perfectly rounded.

I wish I could lay my hands on a pic of a typical stone. I should track one down and put it on the stones page.

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Mum
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Post   » Thu May 31, 2007 9:27 am


Here's a pic of Muffin's stone:

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There isn't enough detail in the xray to say they're perfectly rounded.
Actually, it was my vet who said that. They may not be, but this is how they look in a close view of the xray.

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Lynx
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Post   » Thu May 31, 2007 10:04 am


Oh, thanks! Oh, and I found this one, too (from Trish):

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Can I add yours to the site (will also add it to the stones page, if that's okay with you).

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Mum
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Post   » Thu May 31, 2007 10:33 am


Sure you can.

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DaCourt

Post   » Thu May 31, 2007 11:13 am


Mum...was that xray from Dr. R? I would put a picture of my xray up if I had one. I am going to call Dr. R today.

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Mum
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Post   » Thu May 31, 2007 11:38 am


No, I had the xray done up here, photographed it, and emailed it to Dr. R for a second opinion.

I just bring my xrays home, tape them to a sunny window and take pics that way.

btw, the email I just sent you was returned to me - did you get it?

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Lynx
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Post   » Thu May 31, 2007 11:40 am


I'll add a link to it on the stones page (maintain size so one can see the detail). Also added Trish's pic to the stones page, renamed and cropped further the stone.jpg so it's easier to remember and show someone.

www.guinealynx.info/images/stone.jpg

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DaCourt

Post   » Thu May 31, 2007 12:02 pm


No, I didn't get it. I forgot the email I have attached to the mailed is from the job I just got laid off from. email me at da_court@hotmail.com. I have to update my profile here on GL with a new email.

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DaCourt

Post   » Thu May 31, 2007 2:05 pm


Mum...I think Lynx has now fixed my email.

Well, Scooter was doing well...he was eating a little on his own but I still continued to hand feed. I did not weigh him before his 6:30 am but last night he was actually above 800 grams. Just weighed him again and he was down to his lowest, 722 grams.

He seems so cold. I don't know if he is shivering, or if it's me trembling. Hr won't go near the hot water bottle I have in the cage.

I am picking up his xrays tonight si I will put them up later.

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Lynx
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Post   » Thu May 31, 2007 2:52 pm


No, I wasn't on the board earlier. Will fix it now. If I log in, I have to read everything so I do stuff like this when I next log in and remember to do so.

Charybdis

Post   » Thu May 31, 2007 3:39 pm


Struvite stones also, can appear rounder than Ca Carbonate or Oxalate.

Mum, those stones and their location look very strange indeed but not exactly like Eddie's. When we x-rayed Eddie (24 hours before he crashed from kidney failure), he had a couple large stones in the bladder, and a string of perfectly round appearing stones stacked one on top of each other, like billiard balls, leading down through the urethra in a straight line. Neither the vet nor I had seen such strange looking stones before. But I didn't post the x rays, I just posted pics of his kidneys after necropsy. Dr. R. probably still has the x rays.

His thread starts here http://www.guinealynx.info/forums/viewtopic.php?p=542997#542997

DaCourt, he probably needs more than Metacam for the pain if you are to get his weight up for surgery. Dr. R could prescribe some Torb for you if you call.

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DaCourt

Post   » Thu May 31, 2007 3:52 pm


I still have not decided about surgery. He seems so frail...Courtney was holding him last night and she she was crying a little. She said she wanted him to not be in pain any more, and if that meant saying good bye, seh was ok with it.

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sus4rabbitsnpigs

Post   » Thu May 31, 2007 4:28 pm


I'm sorry Dana. Let me know if you need anything.

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DaCourt

Post   » Thu May 31, 2007 4:36 pm


He is now no longer laying down relaxed. He sits sort of hunched up. He goes in the small pigloo and turns it around to face the wall.

Tracis
Let Sleeping Pigs Lie

Post   » Thu May 31, 2007 8:02 pm


We're thinking of you and Courtney and Scooter.

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