- Thanks for the Memories
Good luck with her.
What size needles have other people used? The ones I've been using seem to work fine. It's pretty hard squeezing that plunger. If it was much smaller, I would think it would be harder in that way. But thinner seems friendlier.
- Little Jo Wheek
Butterfly caths generally come in odd-numbered sizes: 19, 21, 23, 25 gauge, although I have seen a few companies have the even-numbered sizes. Likewise, in needles, the even sizes are more common--18, 20, 22, etc, except we do usually have 25 g in stock also.
I use 25 g needles for all injections (antibiotics or other) of medications and usually blood draws (or sometimes a 22). 21 g butterfly caths are what I use for SQ fluids on a cavy and I use 18 g needles to draw the solution into the syringe. I like to poke my animals with sharp needles, so every injection uses 2 needles: one to draw up the solution/medicaton and one to poke the pig.
(The stupid mailman balled up the envelope before stuffing it in the box. Jerk.)
I freaked out this morning and just couldn't do her subcues. She was freaked out, so I was freaked out. I syringed a bunch of water into her and ran off to work.
I am glad I have an appointment Friday morning. I want smaller needles now.
- Little Jo Wheek
No, the needles on the butterfly caths are attached.
IF you want to do my method of using a separate needle to draw up the fluid, then another to use on the pig, you can use a standard needle (18 G is the biggest easily available usually) to draw up the fluids, then put on the butterfly to administer the fluids.
I used the smaller gauge needles this morning and managed to get about 6cc's into the pig, but yikes -- it took forever. Went much faster at the vet's with the larger needle, but I'm sure it was pretty unpleasant.
Does it go faster with a butterfly? Or about the same as using a thin-gauge needle on a syringe? Is there any other advantage to a butterfly vs. just using a needle and syringe?
Finally, what is the shelf life of lactated ringers?
- Supporting my GL Habit
Once a bag of ringers has been opened, I've been told to use it within weeks.
- I GAVE, dammit!
I put very hot water in a large measuring cup and then drop the whole thing in. Since I use butterflies, I can just drop in the syringe and leave the needle hanging out away from the water.
I can't do subcues properly without butterfly sets - I can't seem to keep the pig still enough.
I got a packet of 22 gauge needles yesterday to use instead of the 20's I was given, but something happened this morning during the subcue. Sebastian went absolutely ballistic screaming and flailing, and then kept doing a sort of "hiccup" afterwards when I stopped. What the heck did I do wrong??? No blood that I could see, but I ran him over to the vet in a panic. He seemed fine again by the time we got there. Does it sound like I jabbed a nerve (this was at his neck scruff), or do you think he just got too worked up? Vet said the site looked fine, and she listened to his heart and checked reflexes. It scared the living crap out of me. She gave him another 10cc's and he was perfectly cooperative. Even though she assured me I did it correctly, I'm still worried that I did something wrong.
I had warmed the solution first, and it felt fine. The needle was labeled 22-gauge/1 inch, but after I compared it to the 20-gauge/1 inch needles the vet had given me, it actually looked longer. Could it have been too long? Should I switch to a 3/4" length?
I was nervous about giving subcues before, but this certainly didn't boost my confidence at all.
I give 30 cc's, but a few times, I just gave her 20.
I am glad my thread was hijacked. I like to hear what other people are going through with this subcue business. It seems so unnatural to pump such a huge amount of anything into such a small animal, especially when they scream!