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Zoe

Post   » Fri Oct 12, 2007 1:19 am


I hope he'll be okay. Sorry I don't have any words of wisdom for you, but I do relate to your being burned out and discouraged.

Hang in there. Both of you! And your husband too.

Tracis
Let Sleeping Pigs Lie

Post   » Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:01 am


Oh, poor Sebastian. I hope he will be okay, too.

For what it's worth: my Ginny developed a UTI while taking Baytril for a URI. I guess unusual things can happen when the immune system is compromised.

I'm sending hugs and healing thoughts. You and your husband have good hearts.

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sef1268

Post   » Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:34 am


Thank you both. He's still peeing blood this morning, but otherwise seems fine. Calling the vet this a.m. to see what she suggests...I gave him a dose of Baytril this morning.

tracis -- that's what I kept thinking this morning, "How could he develop an infection when he's already on antibiotics?" But you are right; compromised immune system can cause funky things.

Ugh. I just hope this is something that can be cleared up with meds.

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Amy0204
We miss our sweet Oreo

Post   » Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:25 am


I hope you all can figure something out. I understand your frustration, all too well!! Hang in there. And try to take that time off if you can. I think people don't always recognize how intense and exhausting it can be to take care of a sick pet.

BTW, How do you like the 25s? I am using 23s now, but was told the 25s were going to take forever. Has that been your experience?

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sef1268

Post   » Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:47 am


I like the 25-gauge a LOT. Bassy is totally uncooperative with subcues, so anything that can make it a little less stressful for both of us is an improvement.

I did two subcues with the 25g last night -- first one was 20cc's, and then when I saw the blood in his urine, I gave him an extra 10cc's. Getting him to hold still is impossible, but the stick itself is not bad at all (I swear, I could poke a Q-tip at him and he'd scream bloody murder). I had Critical Care ready the first time; used my left hand to give the subcue, with the right hand feeding the CC. He didn't notice it a bit, and it took maybe a minute.

Second time, I don't know if I didn't have the fluid warmed properly or what, but he was fussier with it and wouldn't hold still once it was in. Maybe I didn't have it in straight...it's so hard to see with his dark skin and hair (I'm almost tempted to shave a few "target" spots, so I can see what the heck I'm doing).

With the 23-gauge, it is really only slightly faster. I honestly didn't think it was bad at all with the 25g, especially if you have something to occupy them, like a piece of lettuce. It goes by quickly if they're eating something vs. just standing there.

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Lynx
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Post   » Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:07 am


I am so sorry, Sef. I understand how discouraging this is. I don't think blood necessarily means infection. I think Becky did 2 or 3 subcues a week for her guinea pig. I don't know if more subcues would help but maybe.

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Mum
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Post   » Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:27 am


I'm sorry this is so discouraging.

Be careful about doing 30ccs of subcue fluid at a time - too much fluid can be dangerous. I don't do more than 20ccs at one time, although I've given 20ccs twice daily for a week or more (for a sick pig).

I'm so sorry you're seeing blood again.

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Amy0204
We miss our sweet Oreo

Post   » Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:54 am


Mum - that's interesting. My vet advised me to do 60ccs at a time. It hasn't been an issue for Oreo at all. But then, she hasn't taken water on her own for 3 weeks. Based on her poops, she's quite dehydrated at times, so maybe that's why?

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somechick

Post   » Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:04 am


My vet - who I love and trust completely - also advised 60ccs at a time. It's the only thing I've ever disagreed with her on. For a tiny pig, 60 just seems like so much.

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sef1268

Post   » Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:37 pm


I know; I panicked and over-did. :(

Dr. M had said 20cc's once a week, but I was going to try it twice a week just to be on the safe side. There's no way I could manage 3 times a week, especially if I keep doing them by myself.

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Amy0204
We miss our sweet Oreo

Post   » Fri Oct 12, 2007 1:12 pm


Actually, the more often you do them, the easier it gets. I still flinch when I first put in the needle, but Oreo isn't as freaked out, so I think I'm doing a better job.

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sef1268

Post   » Fri Oct 12, 2007 1:37 pm


Putting the needle in isn't too bad, but getting him to hold still so that I can do it -- now, that's another thing. He runs around the table, kicks at me, squirms out of the towels, wriggles out of my arms, tries to climb up my neck, knocks over everything on the table, and squeals like I'm coming after him with a meat cleaver.

Ugh.

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sef1268

Post   » Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:41 pm


You know, thinking about it...I'm wondering if maybe I stopped the Metacam too soon. I was thinking "pain" (which he hasn't shown any signs of), but it might have been keeping the bladder inflammation down.

?

Talishan
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Post   » Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:38 pm


Restart it and see what happens -- is what I'd do if he were mine.

My old vets have told me two things: one, shave whatever you need to shave so you can see what you're doing. The hair grows back; and, two, only ER vets should push as much as 50-60 cc's at one subcue, and that for a severely dehydrated animal. Amy, if Oreo is okay with it, I'd certainly not tell you to give her less. My comment here is for general reference.

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Amy0204
We miss our sweet Oreo

Post   » Fri Oct 12, 2007 6:44 pm


I've backed off a little, simply because there'd be some leaking out. But right now, there's a lot of slack skin because of all the weight loss.

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Zoe

Post   » Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:04 pm


I can't imagine doing more than 30 cc's at a time. Maybe doing that twice a day, 60 at once seems like an awful lot.

I have 3 pigs I have to subcue today. I made a little polar fleece sling-like thing to hold them a bit for me. I need to do these things without help and each of my pigs reacts differently. With this thing I made, their legs stick through holes in the polar fleece. If they start to get squirmy, I lift the piggy up with the fleece that's around the shoulders. And they don't get hurt if they really struggle. They eventually slip out, but it really slows them down without stressing them, or me, out.

Good luck to you Sebastian.

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sef1268

Post   » Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:09 pm


Is there a diagram somewhere that shows what spots are best for subcue? Neck and both thigh areas are the only ones I know about. Can you pretty much give one anywhere there is loose skin? Are there areas that are more sensitive than others? Are there areas that are more effective than others?

Gave Sebastian a dose of Metacam this evening, so we'll see if it makes a difference. I never heard back from the vet today, unless he left me a message after I left work. That reminds me...I need to log off AOL and check my messages.

Zoe, any chance you could post a picture of your invention? :)

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Zoe

Post   » Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:33 pm


I will try to get my sister to take pictures of my invention. It really does help.

It's basically an oblong piece of thin polar fleece with slits cut where the legs go through. I hold it with a clip around the haunches. Then around the shoulder, I cut the cloth into a couple of strips that I can grasp. The back end of the polar fleece is pretty long. I tied it to the chair to hold it steady while the pig is in my lap. I push the cloth aside where I do the subcue part.

My sister is super busy, but I really need to get a picture of it. It is SO helpful. She's my photographer.

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sef1268

Post   » Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:56 pm


Sounds handy! I'd love to see it.

Well, no message from the vet. So I have no idea whether I should use my last Baytril tab tonight, or go back to Bactrim and see if the Metacam helps.

Crap. Crap. Crap.

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Lynx
RESIST

Post   » Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:15 pm


I'd be happy to add it to the subcue page if it is clear enough that it would be helpful to others.

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