Bordetella - URGENT

GetShelly
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Post   » Wed Aug 29, 2007 1:47 pm


Lynx, permission to start another thread. I thought maybe the memorial thread for Tiffany might get ignored.

Tiffany passed away Monday and has been necropsied. Some results are still out for culture, but the initial finding is Pneumonia and Bordetella. She crashed so quickly that this makes sense, but now I'm scared to death for the others.

I have sterilized the cage, thrown water bottles away, pellet dishes, etc., and replaced.

Mo and Molly show no signs right now. What do I put them on? What more do I do? And how on earth did Tiffany get this? We have no children and no other pets, and very few visitors.

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rshevin

Post   » Wed Aug 29, 2007 1:50 pm


Do any of your neighbors have dogs, particularly NEW dogs? Had you been to the vet recently? Visited a shelter or pet store that allows dogs? You could have carried the virus in from any of these types of situations.

GetShelly
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Post   » Wed Aug 29, 2007 1:58 pm


I go to Petsmart sometimes to get bedding. But, I haven't been in a while. How long are we talking?

No neighbors with new dogs, and we're not very social with our neighbors anyway.

Last time Tiffany went to the vet was February when Bethany died. Bethany died of kidney failure.

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rshevin

Post   » Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:06 pm


I don't know how long the virus can survive outside the body. I'll see if I can look that up. It doesn't matter so much if you're friendly with your neighbors as much as if their dogs are walking through areas where you also walk, sidewalks, yards, etc.

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sus4rabbitsnpigs

Post   » Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:11 pm


I think the consesus here is if the pig has it, they show obvious signs fairly quickly?

In rabbits, pasturella is common and they can be a carrier and not show symptoms. Not sure if it can be the same with pigs.

GetShelly
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Post   » Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:11 pm


Rshevin, I guess that is always possible.

We do see wild rabbits outside from time to time. I never attempt to touch them. We are at the edge of town, so nearby there are deer, raccoons, rabbits, etc.
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Jennicat

Post   » Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:11 pm


I wonder if some pigs may not carry bordetella in the same way that rabbits carry pasturella around.

My Gizmo came home from the pet store with bordetella, and was sick and handfed/on various runs of antibiotics for several months. We did a snot culture and he had a strain resistant to baytril.

The pig he was living with was never ill from it, and is still in good health, even after Giz recently passed from pneumonia (possibly a bordetella flareup, but he was sick and gone before there was a chance to do a culture). Again, none of the pigs I own showed any signs of illness.

GetShelly
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Post   » Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:27 pm


I have so many what if's going through my head right now. I can't save Tiffany, but I want to save Molly and Mo if I can. So far they are okay.

Interesting about Mr. Gizmo. Tiffany was born at my house and was nearly 5, and a picture of good health to the human eye. No prolonged anything with her.

HollyT
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Post   » Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:34 pm


Yes, not to scare you but pinta has mentioned it wiping out a herd in a very short time. I would email her to be honest. The fact that your others don't show signs is very good and I think you did the right thing throwing stuff away and sterilizing. I have no idea how she could have gotten it. Maybe it lies dormant until a primary illness occurs? I'm so sorry about Tiffany.

Baba

Post   » Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:52 pm


My Mimi is carrying the Bortedella Virus and I had lost (before I found out) quite some piggies. As Mimi is still alive (and in the blessed age of 6 1/2 years now) any new piggie is getting vaccinated.

Since all my new rescue pigsters get the vaccination I never ever had any death due to Bortedella again.

If interested I can give more detailed informations.

GetShelly
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Post   » Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:53 pm


Baba, please do. I'm a complete newbie to this condition. I thought vaccinations were dangerous, because they create a mild form of bordetella, and perhaps senior guinea pigs, like my own would be at risk.

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sus4rabbitsnpigs

Post   » Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:09 pm


Vaccinations for pigs are not usually recommended.

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Mum
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Post   » Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:26 pm


Ditto on emailing Pinta, and perhaps Josephine, right away.

I've not heard of vaccinating guinea pigs against bordatella.

Incidentally, how did they diagnose the pneumonia? Was it just from fluid in her lungs? Or did they diagnose it from some sort of culture?

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Jennicat

Post   » Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:30 pm


I seem to recall reading that there was a pig specific bordetella vaccine, but that it was mucho dinero since it wasn't commonly made and pig owners usually didn't do it.

http://www.guinealynx.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2192&highlight=bordetella+vaccination

The page sited there states that there is a vaccination for guinea pigs for bordetella, but that vaccinated pigs then become carriers, which suggests that a benign infection may be possible?

HollyT
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Post   » Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:31 pm


Her pigs have already been exposed anyway.

GetShelly
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Post   » Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:36 pm


Mum, from the best of my understanding, there was fluid in her lungs. But, the did also say they weren't done with their findings as they have sent tissues for further testing.

It's very hard to talk to these folks, you end up talking to a person answering the phone who is reading from a report. I have a call into Dr. Ragsdale in the diagnostic department. He supervised the case.

I emailed Pinta.

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Mum
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Post   » Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:40 pm


I was asking, because heart pigs so often have fluid in the lungs. She showed no signs of pneumonia that you were aware of - usually pigs with pneumonia are very, very sick - and they show it.

GetShelly
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Post   » Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:45 pm


They did not comment on an enlarged heart. They did say she had age-related liver and kidney enlargement.

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Mum
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Post   » Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:50 pm


There can be other things wrong with the heart other than enlargement of course.

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Lynx
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Post   » Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:56 pm


It sounds as though the vet was guessing.

Keep in mind most illnesses are the greatest threat to a guinea pig with a weakened (for whatever reason) immune system. I'm glad you're getting more information to determine what the bacteria is.

I'm going to move your other thread to Cavy Chat since this will be the medical one.

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