Julius's Medical Thread

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iastate09
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Post   » Sat Mar 01, 2008 5:20 pm


Julius weighs 2# 5 oz right now. I want to go with the topical ivermectin, but read the page on it and am very confused. Do I have to dilute it or not?

Also, what would be the dosage for a gp his size?

Thanks.

Tracis
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Post   » Sat Mar 01, 2008 5:25 pm


Are you planning to use 1% injectible ivermectin, topically, or the pour-on .5% solution?

You should not have to dilute either one, but the dose is different for each kind.

This is a very handy page:
http://www.guinealynx.info/dose_calculator.html

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iastate09
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Post   » Sat Mar 01, 2008 6:22 pm


Ok, I got to the farm store before they closed (yes!)

I ended up getting the pour on - it doesnt have a percentage marked on the box, but it is 5mg/ml, which would be .05% right?

I used the dosage calculator (thanks tracis!) and this is what it said.
Average recommended dose: 0.104326252 cc

So this means I give him .1 cc/ml topically, behind the ears, right? And it does not need to be diluted, correct?

Just want to make sure....

Tracis
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Post   » Sat Mar 01, 2008 6:47 pm


I have not used the pour-on myself; however, your dose looks correct to me.

You can wait a little bit to see if any others have input!

Will you be treating all of your pigs at the same time?

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iastate09
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Post   » Sat Mar 01, 2008 6:56 pm


Ok, I went with it - the two older boys are treated. I didn't treat the little onw, because he was treated with revolution about a month ago, when I got him.

Should I treat him too? he's about 14 oz.

ETA: Another thing, I just changed their fleece at 1ish today, now its around 6 here. Do I need to re-change their bedding even though its only been 5 hours?

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Mum
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Post   » Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:04 pm


I'd treat all the pigs in the house.

I use the pour-on also.

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iastate09
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Post   » Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:20 pm


Done, thanks! :)

Does anyone have an opinion on the fleece changing?

How long till I should see improvement?

Thanks!

Tracis
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Post   » Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:26 pm


Are you considering changing the fleece because of the mites?

I don't believe you need to change bedding or clean everything between doses. When I have treated for mites, I kept to my regular cleaning schedule.

As for improvement, some notice it right away. With other pigs, it can take a few doses. Is Julius scratching at his marks? He may be more sensitive to the mites than the other boys.

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iastate09
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Post   » Sat Mar 01, 2008 8:03 pm


I haven't seen him scratching alot - he is the only one with scabs. He is also not eating well, which i hope will end with this.

He has not been pooping alot today either, most likely due to not eating. I don't think he looks bloated.

He has also been sick, which makes him more susceptible to the mites if i understand correctly.

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iastate09
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Post   » Sun Mar 02, 2008 3:11 am


I dont' know if anyone is on here this late - Julius has not pooed for me since noon/oneish. I cahnged fleece around then, and there are pee spots, but no poo. He acts about the same as he has the last few days, and does not look (to me anyway) to be bloated. He ate some hay, is drinking some, and is, as of right now, eating his veggies.

He didn't eat hardly at all today until now, could that be why?

Any ideas?

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Vipergurl88

Post   » Sun Mar 02, 2008 7:20 am


If he doesn't eat, he won't poop. Now that he's eating some you should have some poops coming the next day, but I would start handfeeding if you aren't already. At least until he's eating normally again.

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iastate09
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Post   » Sun Mar 02, 2008 1:16 pm


Noon, and maybe none, maybe one poop. There was one in his side, but his brothers could have kicked it across the divider. He ate all his veggies last night, and is still drinking, but still not eating much hay. I handfed him some yesterday afternoon, but then i wasn't sure if I should, in case he had bloat.

He still doesnt look bigger than normal, can you tell by looking at them when they have bloat?

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iastate09
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Post   » Sun Mar 02, 2008 3:55 pm


I called my weekend emergency clinic, because I am an overactive worrier. They said that the lack of poos could be either from lack of eating, or from a slight case of bloat. He said to keep an eye on him, and call them back if there were any changes.

His opinon was that as long as he continues drinking and eating some that I would probably be ok to wait till first thing in the morning and call my regular vet. He said if it was a severe case, there would be no interest in food or water, and I would see more agitation/pain symptoms.

I'm hoping his ivermectin treatment kicks in soon, his coat looks bad, and I can only imagine how painful his scabs are! :(

My question is, should I be handfeeding? I don't know if he has bloat or not, but I'm afraid if he does handfeeding will make it worse.

I wish he would poo!

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Lynx
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Post   » Sun Mar 02, 2008 11:12 pm


As a general rule, feeding is better to keep things moving through the system. There are cases where there is a blockage but you won't know unless you have your pet examined by a vet. Bloat will generally present as a taut stomache and much discomfort for the pig.

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iastate09
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Post   » Mon Mar 03, 2008 12:40 am


I'm calling my vet first thing in the morning. Julius still is about the same - he still eats some hay, some CC mash out of a bowl and is drinking. He doesn't seem to be in extreme pain, and pooped one little poo earlier this evening.

His stomach doesn't seem to have gotten tighter, or bigger today and he has remained stable throughout the day. We got a big winter storm tonight, so this should be a fun drive to my vet tomorrow!

Wish us luck! (again)

Tracis
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Post   » Mon Mar 03, 2008 12:43 am


Good luck, and we will be thinking of you. Julius is so lucky to have you care for him. :)

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iastate09
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Post   » Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:05 am


I called my vet, and they said as soon as I can get him there, they can look at him.
Besides bloat, what could be causing this? What should we be looking for?

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Lynx
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Post   » Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:09 am


You might want to read over the diarrhea page and see if you'd like to do some fecal tests to see if there is an overgrowth of something contributing to this.

gl/diarrhea.html

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iastate09
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Post   » Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:27 pm


I ended up taking Julius to my old clinic (new doctor) today. The roads were too bad to get to Marshalltown, so Dr. Jacobsen's was out of the question.

They kept him all day for observation, and handfed 10cc's of CC every 3 hours. They told me he ate hay and pellets all day, but still produced only 2 poos. They sent him home with me for the night so he would be in his normal enviroment. They told me to continue with the critical care to see if we could get any resluts by morning, and if he doesn't start pooing I should bring him back for x-rays.

The vet seemed very knowledgeable and told me she thought it was a combination of switching around ab's and adding heart meds/lasix all in the same day, and that the lasix had probably drawn water out of his system (since he was a little off food/water in the first place) and his digesta had most likely gotten very dry and sticky.
She said the two poos he had today were very dry and hard, and she hopes by handfeeding a very wet mash we can get things moving again.

She seemed fairly sure there was no major blockage, since he has passed 3 pellets since this whole thing started.

This seems to make sense to me, and I'm hoping he improves by morning, but no luck yet. He acts fine during floor time, and still nibbles on hay and pellets and drinks water.

His stomach feels fuller than last night, but he has been getting CC which he wasn't before. He does not seem to be in pain, and shows no reaction when you palpate his abdomen/stomach.

I'm kind of at a loss here. I'm running out of patience and money both, and just want my boy back! :(

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Mum
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Post   » Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:29 pm


Did they not give him a subcue while he was there?

For sure, if you keep on handfeeding him you'll have a lovely load of poop to look forward to.

You need to get 50cc at least of critical care into him in a 24-hour period.

Then you will have poop :-)

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