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Lynx
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Post   » Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:16 am


I am sorry she is doing poorly. Not sure she would be intolerant to Bactrim. Might be more likely she is in pain. I wish I had helpful advice for you!

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Yuugi

Post   » Thu Jan 14, 2010 10:21 am


But she doesn't have any stones, neither does she cry when she pees or poops since i started on the fluids and the antibiotic.

And the lethargy and being more "puffed up" seems to only have started 3 days after the start of the Bactrim.

She has lost around 70 grams all together since we moved to this new apartment, around a week and a half ago. I am wondering if the stress from the moving is contributing to the weight loss, since Mimi, her cagemate, lost quite a bit of weight after the move as well.
She was stable on 1.120gr for a few days until i started her on the Bactrim. Then she was 1.090gr this morning.

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Post   » Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:51 pm


I see. I know you will try to manage things as best you can. It is possible the move stressed them. But they're in the same cages, no?

I am hoping for the best.

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Yuugi

Post   » Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:12 pm


Good news from my part. Momo perked up considerably last night and this morning she had gained 20 grams. Then she spent the whole day alot more active, eating, drinking, shoving Mimi out of cozy sacks and gained 40 grams by the evening.

The Bactrim also seems to be doing the trick since she no longer cries at all.
I will continue to monitor daily though.

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Post   » Sat Jan 16, 2010 2:56 am


I'm sending good thoughts, and I hope Momo continues to feel better.

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Yuugi

Post   » Sat Jan 30, 2010 8:23 am


Momo stopped crying while peeing or pooping while on the first week of Bactrim. Then on the last 5 days of the antibiotic i noticed she was crying a bit again and there was sludge in the vetbed as well.
I finished the antibiotic on Tuesday and she cried quite alot that day. I thought i'd ring the vet if she wasn't better by the next day.

Since that day until today, there has been maybe 1 to two times crying, and a bit of sludge. Since her suspected diagnosis is bladder sludge, i don't think more Bactrim will help.

While on the ABs i had been weighing her every day. She was gaining weight steadily so i decided i'd start weighing her weekly again. She was 1150 grams on Tuesday.

Today my jaw dropped when i noticed she was down to 1070grams. I rushed her into the emergency vet.
I asked them to check her teeth and she has overgrown molars with some sharp edges going over the tongue *sighs*.

The vets of that clinic aren't specialized in small animals and they will only trim the front teeth because they don't have the right tools to do the back molars.

There is a vet specialized in small animals in this town but i didn't have very good experiences there. I will, however, ask if they are experienced in doing teeth trims to cavies, and if they aren't where can i go for her teeth to be filed?

I am currently going to start handfeeding to help maintain her weight, while i wait until i can get her teeth trimmed.
I'm really worried due to the lack of knowledgeable vets in this area.

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Post   » Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:05 am


I am sorry it is such a challenge to get good care for your guinea pig :-(

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demoness

Post   » Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:57 am


Good luck in finding a knowledgeable vet! It's a challenge almost anywhere in Finland. Have you checked the vets listed here: http://www.marsut.net/keskustelut/index.php?topic=186.0 ?(It's a Finnish guinea pig forum's list of vets that guinea pig owners have had good experience with.)

In my experience guinea pigs often get overgrown molars if they've not eaten enough on their own because of being ill. The molars should be fairly easy to trim. (That is, of course, if you find the vet who can do it.)

I wish Momo a quick recovery!

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Yuugi

Post   » Sun Jan 31, 2010 5:55 pm


Demoness i have checked that thread on Marsut.net but it's outdated and that vet has long moved away.

I will be calling the clinic tomorrow, but i'm fairly sure there is a small animals specialist there and that they do teeth trimming.

I took Lilly there when i first found a lump on her.
She had lost some weight so i asked them to check her teeth. They said that if her teeth were overgrown they would file them down, so i'm sure they have the necessary tools there.

Unfortunately it was also there that her lump was misdiagnosed as a fatty limpoma, when in fact she had a swollen lymph node and a large tumour in her stomach. That was my bad experience there, since Lilly was put to sleep last December.

Anyway, Momo is perking up for some reason. I handfed her two days ago to bring her weight up, but she hasn't needed any handfeeding today. She managed to bring her weight up by 30 grams and she even graced us with zoomies around the cage. At least i know her teeth aren't bothering her too much yet.

I will continue weighing her twice a day and handfeeding as necessary until we are past this crisis.
I will post tomorrow after i find out if the vet has experience and tools to do this procedure.

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demoness

Post   » Sun Jan 31, 2010 8:39 pm


"Demoness i have checked that thread on Marsut.net but it's outdated and that vet has long moved away."

Please tell this to the person who is maintaining the list.


Nice to hear that Momo has perked up!

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Yuugi

Post   » Mon Feb 01, 2010 3:09 am


I rang the vet clinic this morning and they do have a small animal's specialist and also the right tool to file down the molars.
Momo has an appointment for tomorrow at 13.30. They said they want to take a look before doing any procedure.

Momo is up by 40 grams since the weigh-in on Saturday so i'm feeling hopeful.

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Yuugi

Post   » Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:22 am


Well, i decided to cancel the appointment at the vet and observe Momo throughout the week. I'm weighing her twice a day and recording it.

The reason is because Momo's weight has been going up everyday. She is now 1130 grams, thus she has gained 60 grams since Saturday.

The vet there sedates the pigs in order to check their teeth, since i've never seen them use a tool that opens their mouths.
I really don't want to sedate Momo unless i have to, and the incredible weight gain makes me believe the e-vet didn't really know what she was doing.

If i see any sort of weightloss again i will ring the vet and take her there. This vet is actually 10 minutes away from my house so i can get there fairly quick provided that they have a time for me.

I believe the reason for the weightloss might be the fact that we recently moved to a new apartment. She and her cagemate Mimi suffered significat weightloss after we moved in, and now both of them have gained weight since Saturday. They also became alot more lively and started splattering themselves all over the cage.

I will, of course, keep an eye for Momo. The minute i see significat weightloss she goes get her teeth checked.

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Post   » Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:25 am


Sounds like a plan, especially if you are seeing good poop production.

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demoness

Post   » Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:40 pm


"The vet there sedates the pigs in order to check their teeth, since i've never seen them use a tool that opens their mouths. "

Are you sure that the vet sedates them just to check the teeth? Did you ask? That doesn't sound like something a skilled vet would do.
Every vet I've seen to do dental work on guinea pigs has used the tool that keeps their mouths open to be able to trim the molars.


I have no experience of this myself but I have heard that the sharp points in the molars might sometimes wear off if the guinea pig is eating well.

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Yuugi

Post   » Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:20 pm


Well the ones here in Kuopio use a lamp like thing that they insert in the mouth to check their back teeth.
Since it's usually full of food back there they try to clean it with a cotton swab.

This particular vet that is the small animals specialist, did sedate one of my pigs in order to check her teeth. She basically inserted it inside her mouth, said she couldn't see anything unless she was sedated.

Unfortunately the vets here aren't as skilled as the ones of the South of Finland. Hopefully i'll be moving to the South in half a year and will probably find a more cavy savy vet.

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demoness

Post   » Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:45 pm


I'm sorry to hear that the vets in Kuopio are unable to check guinea pig's teeth without sedating them. I think you are doing the right thing avoiding unnecessary anaesthesia. I hope Momo continues to be well!

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Yuugi

Post   » Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:48 am


Since this posting Momo gained her weight back, and with the addition of a few drops of pure cranberry juice in the water bottle, she is no longer crying while peeing and the cage is almost sludge free.

However we have a new problem. I offered them cucumbers i had placed in the freezer for an hour since it's so hot. But Momo broke her lower front tooth.

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It broke all the way to the gum line, and as you can see it is still bleeding. I noticed there was something wrong because she wasn't picking up any of the vegetables i was offering, though showing great interest.

Any advice? She loves critical care, i don't even need to syringe that, she eats it from a spoon. Should i start handfeeding every two hours? Sorry, i'm a bit nervous since this is my first tooth breaking.

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Post   » Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:55 am


Poor girl! I'm rather surprised to see the tooth bleeding. I always thought it was a fairly bloodless injury.

See: gl/teeth_broken.html

Ought to grow back fine. A little critical care might be a good idea and weighing daily. If you feel she is in any pain, you might even look into pain medication though I suspect she will adjust and start eating fine fairly quickly.

Let me know if you'd like me to add this pic permanently to the thread.

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Yuugi

Post   » Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:07 pm


I have no idea what happened, i'm not even sure it was the cucumber. She sometimes likes to chew the grids, so i wonder if it could be that?

So far she is eating vegetables fine, if i chop them into finer pieces. I saw her eating pellets as well, but she seems to be having issues with the water bottle. It's only been an hour, so i'm still observing her.

I'll be giving her some daily critical care throughout the day, just to make sure she is getting all she needs.
I'll be giving her water as well if i see she can't use the water bottle in the next few hours.

And you can add the picture, thank you.

My poor Momo.

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sef1268

Post   » Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:23 pm


Ouch! Poor Momo. Are you sure it's bleeding at the gumline and not her tongue? Ditto the others' advice.

Just out of curiosity...is it an optical illusion in that photo, or do her upper incisors both have a slight indentation in them?

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