Soft droppings

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Yuugi

Post   » Thu Jun 05, 2008 7:44 am


Here's an update and another question(sorry):

Momo's poops have been normal for a week now, i changed her diet a bit, took out the fruit and gave her veggies more rich in fiber.

She went in heat around 3-4 days ago and her vagina is still open, it hasn't closed again. She also still tries to ocasionally chase her cagemates and rumblestruts, but now it's probably only 1-2 times a day.

From what i read the estrus should last for 24-48 hours and she's been like this for almost 4 days. I'm thinking about watching her over the weekend and if she's still with this symptoms by then, take her to the vet.
It shouldn't last this long, right?

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Lynx
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Post   » Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:21 am



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Yuugi

Post   » Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:59 am


I read that page often. I tried checking for all the other symptoms such as: swollen crusty nipples,loss of hair,etc. but she doesn't show any of those signs aside rumblestrutting and her vagina still being open.

Either way if it's still like that by the end of this weekend Momo is going to the vet again. Poor piggie, must think i'm out to get her :).

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Lynx
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Post   » Thu Jun 05, 2008 10:35 am


Then it will depend on how long she is in heat - if she does not seem to return to normal. Sometimes guinea pigs' hormonal systems are out of wack. A spay is a consideration but always risky, even if you have an experienced vet.

sick piggy mom

Post   » Thu Jun 05, 2008 10:38 am


I have just read this whole forum and what Momo is going through is so similar to what Tina has been dealing with. The pictures of her weird poops could have been taken out of my cage!

She has also been more sexually aggressive but I thought that was just because she was fully developed now. I wonder if I should tell my vet about that?

Tina is at the vet now to get an ultrasound to check her uterus and ovaries and her bladder. Along with the soft poops there were traces of blood on her poop and bedding. At first we thought it was a bacteria and that she was bleeding from her gut but a fecal culture ruled that out. (See my post diarrhea, pain and blood on the bedding)

Tina also started having soft poop after a treatment for lice. They were treated and then came back so she had two rounds of advantix and then two of revolution about two months later. Her cage mate had no reaction to either med though...my vet did not think there was a connection.

I sympathize with you! I feel like I am torturing my poor Tina!

I will let you know what my vet finds in case it might help you out!

Tina did have a lot of yeast in her poops and we are waiting for a result on the fungal culture (take 3-4 weeks) to figure out the right meds to give her for that.

She was on ketecozonal (sp?) an anti- fungal for 8 weeks which worked while she was on it but as soon as she stopped her poop was soft again.

Because of the blood we are working to rule out a separate issue perhaps with her reproductive system... I'll keep you posted.

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Mum
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Post   » Thu Jun 05, 2008 10:48 am


Tina did have a lot of yeast in her poops and we are waiting for a result on the fungal culture (take 3-4 weeks) to figure out the right meds to give her for that.
I'm not sure what 'fungal culture' is being done that takes so long. Yeast can be seen under a microscope and is treated with oral nystatin. I have a pig that's prone to yeast, and the nystatin works well for this. Yeast overgrowth can cause diarreah, so you need to see if he still has this (as I said, the test can be done instantly at the vet's office).

sick piggy mom

Post   » Thu Jun 05, 2008 10:59 am


They did the test to see if it was present or not. The culture is to let the yeast grow and then test which medication will kill it. (At least that is what I was told). The reason for this is that two rounds on the meds didn't work.

Her poops have been getting better since we first stopped the medication. She is taking metacam (anti-inflammatory) twice a day because she vocalizes when she poops and have been giving her bene-bac to try and regulate her gut flora after all of the meds she has been on.

She is not supposed to have fresh food but the only way she will take the bene-bac is if I smear it on a small piece of lettuce the vet said that was ok.

I'll let you know the results of her tests as soon as I hear from the vet.

sick piggy mom

Post   » Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:04 am


I was reading Yuugi's story about Momo and it sounds very similar. Momo has had the poop issue too. She mentioned that her girl was in heat longer than normal. I didn't think much about the sexual aggressiveness but maybe that is the key. That can be a sign of ovarian cysts? Is the only treatment surgery?

I guess the ultrasound will let us know. Can those kind of problems affect their digestion or am I dealing with two separate issues? I want to call and bug the vet but I will try to be patient....

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Mum
I GAVE, dammit!

Post   » Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:04 am


sick piggy mom, I thought I was replying to your own thread, not somebody else's.

It's much better to keep your questions on your own thread, otherwise it can be confusing.

sick piggy mom

Post   » Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:10 am


I thought I was on my thread too. I'm not sure what Happened. Sorry!

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Yuugi

Post   » Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:10 pm


Momo is still showing herself to her cagemates and rumblestrutting.It seems to happen maybe 2-3 times a day,for just a bit and then she goes about her business.

She's also losing hair when i stroke her and today as i was taking these pictures there was a clump of hair with skin attatched, so i am getting worried.

I took some pictures of her nipples because they do look bigger than her cagemate's Mimi, but Mimi is 3 months younger so i need your opinion:

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Thanks for all the help!

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Post   » Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:23 pm


They look healthy and not crusty. Is there some swelling at the base? Look at pics linked to from this page (mammary tumors):

gl/lumps.html

They do not look like that but you can see how things start swelling from the base. That is what you would look out for.

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Yuugi

Post   » Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:08 pm


Oh, i see. She doesn't have any swelling at the base.

Well, her only symptoms then are rumblestrutting and showing herself to her cagemates for maybe 2 seconds 2-3 times a day.
I checked her vagina today and it had sealed up.

I don't really know what to do, maybe i should just observe her and if she actually becomes more sexually agressive take her to the vet?

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Lynx
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Post   » Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:24 pm


If her behavior is quite hormonal and does not let up, it is likely a spay would quiet her down. It could also have long term positive health effects. But any surgery is risky.

gl/ovarian_cysts.html

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Yuugi

Post   » Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:41 am


Is it possible that i'm confusing dominance behaviour with heat? Because Momo only rumblestrutts and wiggles her bum to my new piggie Lilly who has been with them for a month,she doesn't do this to the other pig.
Momo is the dominant pig of the herd.

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Yuugi

Post   » Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:30 pm


A little update here, Lilly just turned 4 months old and she has been rumbling at Mimi as well and usually just gets chased and nipped.
It kinda looks like Lilly is becoming and adolescent and trying to challenge the other two?Maybe this is why Momo ocasionally rumbles at Lilly and Lilly only.
Because i don't see any other symptom of ovarian cysts on Momo.

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Yuugi

Post   » Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:14 am


A little update here and a question:

It took at least a week for Momo to get off that heat,but ever since then her heats have been normal,lasting only up to 2 days or so.

Her poop though is ocasionally odd.The poops aren't soft or stringy like they were that very first time,but have an odd shape.
I guess the best way to describe them is that they are tear shaped. I often find some of these poops scattered throughout the cage,but i could say that 90% of the other poops are normal.

Should i be worried?Weightwise she has actually gained some.

One other particular thing about her poops,is that they have some sort of a hole on them,almost like a small crater.I don´t know if this is of any help.

I'm just wondering if i should call the vet and insist on a fecal analysis.

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becksters
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Post   » Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:00 am


It wouldn't hurt to do a fecal, if anything it will rule things out and give you peace of mind.

When the vet checked her belly, did she do an ultrasound / x-ray?

If she's gaining weight that always a good sign if it's holding. I'd be tempted to check again for gas.

If she's eating and drinking and gaining a bit of weight and still pooping I wouldn't be as worried about the shape of them. All of those things are very good. Keep a close eye on her for any changes.

But as I said, I'd want to check for gas again, and do a fecal to see if there is something out of whack internally.

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Lynx
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Post   » Thu Jul 31, 2008 9:04 am


Tear shaped can indicate not enough fluids, not enough food. Are you weighing daily? A small hole/crater can be a yeast infection. Nystatin will help.

Read gl/diarrhea.html for general info.

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Yuugi

Post   » Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:08 pm


Back when she first had the actual soft droppings, i weighed her everyday and she preety much mantained her weight.
Now that this is just ocasional i weigh weekly,like usual,and she has been gaining weight.

She's actually the heaviest and she's the first at the vegetable plate and the last to leave, so i don't really know.

I guess my only option is to call the vet and ask if she'll do a fecal,since nystatin is a prescription drug,right?

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