Soft droppings

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Bookfan
For the Love of Pigs

Post   » Fri Aug 01, 2008 2:14 pm


We're dealing with soft poops too, but not soft enough to be tear-shaped. Our vet said unlike humans, soft poops in pigs means things are going through the intestinal tract too slowly instead of too fast.

She gave Elle a motility drug to make her intest. tract function better, but we're almost done and no change. I'll talk to the vet soon. Also we gave them a stool sample which was normal.

So I don't have any answers but I wanted to bring up the motility subject.

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Yuugi

Post   » Tue Aug 12, 2008 6:48 am


I called the vet a few weeks back and she said that she wouldn't do a fecal because there was no bacteria that could cause the poops to be deformed.
I don't really have any other vet to go to, because i've covered all the vets in this town and this one was the best.

The thing is, Momo is crying when she poops now. Not always,but i've caught her doing it a few time these last few days.
I checked her poops right after she's done and there's no blood, she didn't pee either, they just have some sort of a little head.

I'm taking her to the vet again, what should i expect the vet to do? X-Rays, should i demand a fecal analysis, etc.?

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Yuugi

Post   » Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:10 am


Little update here:

I lined the cage with white towels and waited until Momo would pee. Both times she peed she cried a little, so i guess she's crying while peeing and not pooping (i saw her ingest cecal feces without any crying as well).
There was no blood in the urine though.

I'm taking her to the vet and asking if they could do an x-ray to rule out kidney stones, and going to keep observing her to see if she cries while pooping as well.

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Yuugi

Post   » Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:15 pm


I called the vet and they only have time for Friday,is it ok to wait this long?

I kept observing her and she hasn't cried again when she pees.

So far her symptoms seem to be : Deformed poops sometimes,like it was hard for her to pass them, sometimes a bit soft as well and now crying a bit when peeing.
I am starting to feel like she may have bladder stones, but let's see what the vet will do on Friday, i'm just paranoid about these things.

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Yuugi

Post   » Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:02 pm


Last post about this, i swear.
I just caught her crying while pooping as well. So basically she cries while doing both peeing and pooping but not everytime.

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Mum
I GAVE, dammit!

Post   » Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:18 pm


Could well be stones.

moodysmom

Post   » Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:57 pm


I found this very interesting. Our third piggy, Valentine, also had similar poops and has cried when he poops. I took him to the vet to be examined, but there was nothing apparent (no gas no visible stones). I have noticed that he does better when he has lots of hay in his diet.

I will be trying a mix of cranberry juice and water to see if there are some small stones in his bladder that need dissolving per the vet's suggestions (after Chiqui's surgery we are through our vet bill budget). The thought is that if he has some minor stones they may be causing discomfort when our Valentine urinates or poops.

We have probiotic too, so I may ask about that.

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Yuugi

Post   » Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:23 pm


I've been watching her throughout the evening and she hasn't made any more crying sounds(she seems to pee often though).

I'm just going to stay positive and think that, no matter what the outcome, we will get trough this.
I will update on her as soon as i arrive from the vet on Friday.

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Yuugi

Post   » Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:55 am


Took Momo to the vet this morning. The vet palpated her lower abdomen and said her bladder was soft and she didn't seem to be in any pain, then she asked if i wanted to have an x-ray to rule out stones and i immediatly said yes(i was happy the vet suggested this on her one without me mentioning anything).

Then i was concerned about sedating Momo, but the vet said that's not always necessary and that me and my husband could be in the x-ray room with Momo ,and hold her while the x-ray was being taken. Momo behaved really well and the x-ray came out perfect.

The vet found no stones, she showed us her x-ray and we could clearly see a clear bladder(and her breakfast also in her intestines,hehe).
So now i am in charge of getting an urine sample for culture and bring it on Monday. I guess Momo will have a very extended lap-time on Sunday evening!

Also i was surprised at the vet bill wich was just 25€,x-ray included!
I'm sooo relieved!

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Bugs Mom

Post   » Fri Aug 15, 2008 8:40 am


Good news about no stones. How lucky you are. X-rays are the one procedure my vet will not let me be in the same room for.

Come on Momo, pee for the humans right on cue. : )

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Yuugi

Post   » Fri Aug 15, 2008 1:30 pm


Me and my husband had to put a protective vest,but i think it's soo much better for the animal to feel their owners next to them.

Momo was still terribly scared,but if she wasn't she wouldn't have behaved that well hehe.

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Yuugi

Post   » Wed Aug 20, 2008 2:40 am


Momo's urine culture came back and there was no bacteria. The vet explained that there was a bit of calcium compounds but nothing that would explain her pain.

Momo's pain seems to come and go, for example yesterday i fed her some romaine in the morning and she cried the whole morning. At the end of the day she was still crying a bit and when i picked her up and checked her vagina i could see it was full of calcium deposits around it.

I really have a feeling she has interstitial cystitis because food seems to trigger it,and there's days where she doesn't cry at all.

Also there was no infection or stones.

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Yuugi

Post   » Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:03 pm


The vet prescibed 2 drops of Metacam/day when Momo was having a bad day.
I smelled it and it seems like it will be bitter. Is there any type of juice i can mix it with so she'll take it more willingly?

Also i wanted to increase her fluids intake,but i can't seem to find any unsweetened cranberry juice here in Finland.

Is there any other type of unsweetened juice i can give to her,orange,apple,etc? This way i could make her drink 5 cc's of water and a bit of juice 4 times a day, every 3 weeks.

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Mum
I GAVE, dammit!

Post   » Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:10 pm


Our Metacam is sweet and sticky.

I've found that things don't necessarily have to be sweetened for guinea pigs.

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Bugs Mom

Post   » Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:25 pm


My Metacam is also sweet and sticky and the little one loves it. She wishes I'd give her more!

Ditto Mum on the meds not having to be sweet for GP's to like it. My Benazapril is bitter and LB loves it as well.

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Yuugi

Post   » Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:54 pm


I can mix it a bit in water then? Because i'm still not sure how to put 2 drops of Metacam in the syringe.

Also if i can't find cranberry juice can i use unsweetened raspberry juice? I saw it's an everyday fruit on the list, so i was wondering if a bit of that dissolved in water would help me increase her fluids intake.
Raspberry is very common here in Finland but cranberry is not.

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snowflakey
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Post   » Wed Aug 20, 2008 1:05 pm


Cranberry juice should be diluted pure juice, without any sweeteners or other juices. Pigs often get used to it and love it. It sounds like Momo has an irritated bladder and more liquids will help. The "stones diet" (paying attention to calcium: phosphorus ratio) also sounds like a good idea since you are witnessing her pain after she eats calcium-rich foods.

Best of luck. If you can give subq injections of lactated ringers solution yourself, you can keep the fluids moving through her without trying to force her to drink (always a challenge!)

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Bugs Mom

Post   » Wed Aug 20, 2008 1:06 pm


"Two drops" is a very imprecise measurement. Can you ask your vet for a 1ml syringe, then have them tell you how to measure on it? Not that Meticam is a dangerous med but there's always "too much of a good thing" sometimes.

For example, Lady Bug gets 0.15ml of Metacam every morning. That's the kind of measurement you want.

I would think that raspberry juice in moderation would be fine.

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Yuugi

Post   » Sun Aug 31, 2008 12:35 pm


Momo's behaviour has changed a bit these last few weeks. She used to like lap-time alot,to the point of even falling asleep but now she just constantly tugs at the towel wich used to be her "i need to pee" sign. I guess i understand since i have the same disease as her and i always feel like i need to pee as well.

On her bad days(i call it that when she cries when she pees) i notice there's alot of white gritty substance on her vagina and i have to clean it. I guess she has alot of sludge on the days it flares up.

Pain medication for these days,increased fluids and a diet low in calcium is all i can do for her,right?

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Lynx
RESIST

Post   » Sun Aug 31, 2008 12:37 pm


Syringing extra fluids or giving subcutaneous fluids a couple times a week would help a great deal. The sludge can cause pain and irritation.

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