Otis' Medical Thread (Polyp?)

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Lynx
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Post   » Thu Dec 25, 2008 7:43 am


You could contact the manufacturer but I like that stuff and think it would be a good choice. Keeps things dissolved and they ought to drain out.

Are there any use guidelines on the bottle?

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sef1268

Post   » Thu Dec 25, 2008 8:50 am


The bottle says "For two to three times a week to daily for routine use...or as directed by your veterinarian."

Wish I could find the fragrance-free formula.

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sef1268

Post   » Thu Dec 25, 2008 9:09 am


Meant to add...he's still crying a little when he urinates. This is Day 4 on Bactrim, and I would have thought he would have having some relief by now, especially since I'm also giving him a lose dose of Metacam with it.

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sef1268

Post   » Thu Dec 25, 2008 7:00 pm


Could really use some feedback on this. This is Day 4 of Bactrim, and Otis is still peeing blood and crying this evening. No hunching or straining, but very visible blood in the urine and his penis seems awfully sore (I tried to extrude it again to make sure nothing was stuck up in the shaft). As far as I can tell, he's still urinating normally. I sat him on a white crib pad to gauge output a little while ago, and it looked pretty good amount-wise.

Has anyone ever had a pig with a UTI that didn't respond to Bactrim and had to be switched over to Baytril?

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Bugs Mom

Post   » Thu Dec 25, 2008 7:17 pm


I'm sorry sef but I have no experience with a UTI. I guess everyone is pretty much off GL today. Have you tried pming Talishan or Pinta?

I hope you get someone knowledgeable to answer you soon.

Tracis
Let Sleeping Pigs Lie

Post   » Thu Dec 25, 2008 7:31 pm


Sending good thoughts for sweet Otis. I hope he starts feeling better soon.

"Has anyone ever had a pig with a UTI that didn't respond to Bactrim and had to be switched over to Baytril?"

Mum wrote some helpful advice for stubborn UTIs on this thread:
http://www.guinealynx.info/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1377290#1377290

"Does anyone know if Epi-Otic is too drying for daily use"

Not sure if this is helpful or not, but when our dog had an ear problem, the vet told us to use Epi-Otic daily, for a week.

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sef1268

Post   » Thu Dec 25, 2008 9:18 pm


Thanks, tracis and Bugs Mom. I'm just a little worried (especially since I'm so afraid of having yet another stone pig). The few pigs that I've treated for a UTI that wasn't stone-related, showed improvement in just a couple of days once AB's were started. Mum's thread makes me think there can be more stubborn cases that take longer to clear up. Maybe that's the case here.

Dr. M wanted me to call tomorrow with an update regardless; guess I'll see what she has to say.

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Bugs Mom

Post   » Thu Dec 25, 2008 9:25 pm


Holding good thoughts for you and Otis. Also hoping you get some satisfactory answers tomorrow.

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Lynx
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Post   » Thu Dec 25, 2008 11:26 pm


I understand why you're worried about a possible stone. I think of bactrim helping a UTI fairly quickly too. I hope tomorrow is better.

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sef1268

Post   » Fri Dec 26, 2008 2:00 pm


Dr. M had an opening this morning, so I took Otis in for x-rays. He has a single, fairly large stone in his bladder and is passing even more blood now than he was earlier this week.

Definitely not the news I was hoping for. :(

We discussed Actigall, and are going to put Otis on it to see if it has any positive effect. We're starting him today at .5cc once a day for 8 days, and then decreasing down to .25cc once a day as per the protocols that other GL members have listed.

I haven't had a chance to look back through some of the other Actigall threads yet; does anyone know if Actigall can be used with Shilintong? I'm wondering if I should use them together, or just start with the Actigall and see how it goes. ?


Sidenote to Lynx -- the link on the Bladder Stones page to tracis' Actigall pages takes you to a page entitled "Toxic Ingredients to Avoid when treating for parasites" :
http://www.guinealynx.info/records/viewtopic.php?t=79

Tracis
Let Sleeping Pigs Lie

Post   » Fri Dec 26, 2008 2:10 pm


Oh no! I'm so sorry that Otis has a stone.

Izzywizzywoo513 used both Actigall and Shilintong for Baby Beast, a female.

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Bugs Mom

Post   » Fri Dec 26, 2008 2:10 pm


Oh my, poor Otis! Never having dealt with a stone I'm still no help here but I do hope things will turn around for both you and him.

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sef1268

Post   » Fri Dec 26, 2008 6:13 pm


Thanks. I'm really bummed about this. He has been on Kleenmama pellets for almost a year now, had gained weight and was so happy and healthy-looking (poor little guy had such a rough start in life). It's just not fair.

This is our 4th guinea pig with a stone.

Started Otis on the Actigall tonight -- nasty, gritty-looking stuff. He's still on Bactrim for a few more days, plus Metacam, and I handfed him some Critical Care mixed with Shilintong a little while ago (which he didn't like). He has dropped almost 4 oz.

I'm starting to think that we're cursed. :(

Tracis
Let Sleeping Pigs Lie

Post   » Fri Dec 26, 2008 8:00 pm


I'm keeping you and Otis in my thoughts, and hoping that the Actigall and/or Shilintong helps. This must be so frustrating. :(

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Lynx
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Post   » Fri Dec 26, 2008 10:59 pm


I am sorry, Sef. I know this is discouraging.

p.s. I fixed the link (thanks for mentioning it)

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sef1268

Post   » Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:55 am


It is extremely discouraging; thanks Lynx.

This is a pig who was born at a shelter and rescued by the then-Southern Indiana GP Rescue. He is not from around here; I know there isn't any genetic link to my other pigs who have had stones.

He has been fed a diet of Oxbow hay and Kleenmama pellets (the latter for the past year; previously Cavy Cuisine), along with veggies consisting of green leaf, red leaf, endive, escarole and butter leaf. No romaine. Occasionally some cilantro, tomato, corn husks, cucumber or red pepper. Very rarely a small sliver of apple or a tiny bit of carrot as a special treat.

He lives in a 3 x 3 C&C with his buddy, Toby. Has never had any illness, other than some teeth issues a few years ago from bar-chewing before he had a cagemate, and the fact that he has always been an extremely nervous pig (we originally suspected some trauma at an early age; also possible he has been partially blind for longer than we thought).

I'm just at a total loss to understand how a pig like this develops a stone.

What am I doing wrong????

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Topaz

Post   » Sat Dec 27, 2008 10:20 am


It sounds like you are doing all the right things, sef.

I'm so sorry this keeps happening with your guys. How great it would be to be able to pinpoint and alter something to stop the stones from forming. Unfortunately, sometimes these things just happen and are beyond our control.

Good thoughts coming your way.

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sef1268

Post   » Sat Dec 27, 2008 11:04 pm


Gave Otis another 1/2 Shilintong tablet this evening, only this time I just popped it to his back teeth like I do with other pills. He chewed it up with no problem at all; much easier than trying to get him to drink it mixed with water. Big Thank You to Nutter Butter's mom for the suggestion.

He's still crying quite a bit tonight, which just kills me to hear. I can't remember; have others had better luck with Rimadyl (Carprofen) over Metacam? I'm debating whether I should see about getting that instead, or if I should just bump up the Metacam slightly. I'm dosing it at .1cc once a day. He weighs 2 lbs. 5 oz.

Wish something would start to kick in.

Tracis
Let Sleeping Pigs Lie

Post   » Sun Dec 28, 2008 12:34 am


I think that Talishan uses Rimadyl for her guinea pigs.

How is Otis' ear?

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sef1268

Post   » Sun Dec 28, 2008 8:52 am


Thanks, tracis. I need to do some research on here today on Rimadyl use. A little encouraged to see Otis up and about this morning. He's still eating his veggies with gusto.

The ear looks good! The polyp is still there, of course, but the infection seems to be gone. When I cleaned it last night, it didn't seem very sensitive at all, and I didn't notice any odor with it. Hopefully that's one less thing bothering him.

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