Which AB for emaciated pig?

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Lynx
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Post   » Fri Apr 18, 2003 2:14 pm


I would bath him and then dose him. That way you know the dose is still there.

Charybdis

Post   » Fri Apr 18, 2003 10:59 pm


Here's a wierd one.

Humphrey's family came to see him tonight. At my request they brought their other pig so that I could have a look at him and treat him for mites. I was certain that the other one would be in similar shape.

But what they brought was just about the healthiest pig I've ever seen. He was a gorgeous stocky Peruvian. Feet were fine. Not a speck of dandruff on him and no sign of any illness whatsoever. They brought him in a box with a pile of green timothy and a little bowl of romaine. They were holding a water bottle up for him to drink from, even though they only drove 1/2 hour. Obviously a pampered pig. He weighed 1200g.

The mother started crying when I told her how easy it was for Dr. R to determine that Humphrey's teeth were overgrown. They paid me for the vet bills and bought a bag of Cavy Cuisine and went home. Strange.

Humphrey got a bath today, a nail trim, some topical Ivermectin, and ointment on his feet. He is still weak but is now coming out of his box when it is about time for me to feed him.

HollyT
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Post   » Fri Apr 18, 2003 11:09 pm


That's wonderful news!

tis strange though...

Julian
I GAVE, dammit!

Post   » Sat Apr 19, 2003 2:46 am


Chary,

Your diplomacy skills may make a huge change in their treatment of their pets. They may want to do the right thing but have no idea how to do it. I sure hope Humphrey pulls through and they will tap into your skills and expertise to keep him healthy. They obviously care, which is half the battle.

You are in a position to make a huge change in their family's pet husbandry. You'll rise to the ocassion, no doubt.

Charybdis

Post   » Sat Apr 19, 2003 1:00 pm


He is still very weak. If he is anemic, what can I do for him?

pinta

Post   » Sat Apr 19, 2003 1:16 pm


You just have to keep handfeeding and hydrating with subcues. Give poops from a healthy pig for the B vitamins and good gut bacteria. Look for the lighter softer ones. At least one a day. I'm not sure whether it would be beneficial to give him more than that....You can get B vitamins from the vet. I don't know the dose. My vet injects them.

No surprise the other pig is in great shape. It's easy to keep a healthy pig healthy. But if that pig got sick he'd be in the same shape as the other one.

If a pig is ill and doesn't get immediate appropriate medical treament they go downhill fast. His teeth problems may even be related to the fact he hasn't been eating. Even if he is ill the molars will still grow. They can overgrow from not being ground by chewing as fast as 2 weeks. 4 weeks is the average time it takes for molar overgrowth.

Charybdis

Post   » Sat Apr 19, 2003 1:20 pm


This pig has been sick since they got him. I keep hinting to them that he might have deeper problems so that they know they have to be vigilant.

We do the poop soup thing several times a day. I will add some B-complex to his mash.

Question on the SQ: I am giving him 10-15ml of Pedialyte every 3 hours. He does not seem dehydrated anymore and his poops are small, but moist and light. Should I give him SQ anyway? How often and how much? I have a 20ml syringe.

pinta

Post   » Sat Apr 19, 2003 5:01 pm


If this is every 3 hours thoughout the day, it sounds like he's getting at least 60mls of fluid daily so he should be okay as long as he is actually swallowing the Pedialyte.

Josephine will know if he should be getting more fluids than that daily.

This pig has been sick since they got him.

You're not making a case for them.

I keep hinting to them that he might have deeper problems

The fact he's 3/4 dead should be hint enough.

Charybdis

Post   » Sat Apr 19, 2003 7:09 pm


Like I said earlier, I understand and feel your frustration. But I have no position here other than to educate them and try to save the pig. I can't just snatch their pig away and shake my finger at them.

pinta

Post   » Sat Apr 19, 2003 8:21 pm


I'm not frustrated. I'm resigned.

Charybdis

Post   » Sat Apr 19, 2003 9:31 pm


I'm not. Although I think that these people are not qualified to own pets, I have to at least try to make them better caretakers.

If there's anything to be pissed off about, it's the stupid laws that protect larger animals but not rodents. If this were a dog, I could call animal control and have him taken to a shelter. But I think that would still involve the owners signing him away to me to get my hands on him.

So the best shot I have is to make these people come to the realization that he would be better off in my hands. If I were resigned, that wouldn't get done now, would it? And it takes a lot more strength, I think, to hold my tongue and try to gently nudge them towards better care than to scream at them and hurl accusations. And part of that involves me trying to convince myself that they are capable of listening.

Believe me, if that pig dies because of their lack of proper care, you will see one hell of a rant pop up on here. Until then, I'll continue to do everything I can.

Pinta, you were right, btw, about the subcues. Although he was still pretty hydrated, I gave him 10cc of LRS with B-complex and he perked up a little.

Gez

Post   » Sun Apr 20, 2003 5:56 am


Just make sure you nudge them in the direction of good husbandary hard enough for them to take notice.

Charybdis

Post   » Sun Apr 20, 2003 1:57 pm


Humphrey is a little stronger, I think. He is starting to fight me more during the handfeeding.

I'm a little concerned about his eye. When they brought him over, both eyes were weeping and his nose was crusty so I assumed a URI and put him on Baytril. The family brought a Terramycin ointment that the vet gave them for the eyes so I was also using that.

His left eye has cleared up well but the right seems to be doing worse. It is still weeping quite a bit and making crusties, and he has started to lose the hair above it. The skin on the top eyelid is pink and swollen.

Should I try a different ointment? Stop the ointment all together? Any suggestions?

HollyT
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Post   » Sun Apr 20, 2003 2:08 pm


Is the terramycin the same as triple ab ointment?

Charybdis

Post   » Sun Apr 20, 2003 2:19 pm


No, I don't think so. It is an antibiotic though. I usually use bnp for the eyes but don't have a lot of it left.

I'm seeing Dr. R in the a.m. (poor Billy Bob has a UTI again and I'm out of Bactrim) and I'll ask him about it, but I can't transport Humphrey with a healthy pig.

tried but I can't get a good pic of the eye.

HollyT
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Post   » Sun Apr 20, 2003 2:22 pm


When wooly had a bad URI and her eyes were like you explain, the triple ab ointment cleared it right up.

What time is your appt? I can drop the cc off at your house, then drive one of the pigs to LBAH. It would be on the way back to my house. Let me know.

Charybdis

Post   » Sun Apr 20, 2003 2:24 pm


It's 9:30 a.m., but I can just pick up more CC at LBAH. I don't want to take Humphrey back so soon, and just for a swollen eye. He has an appointment for Thursday a.m. to get his teeth done (if he is strong enough).

You just want an excuse to see Dr. R.

HollyT
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Post   » Sun Apr 20, 2003 2:26 pm


I'd better get my panties ready in case you change your mind.

Charybdis

Post   » Sun Apr 20, 2003 2:29 pm


I'm going to ask him about that. I'll say, "Holly is making you a present and she wants to know if you prefer leopard or zebra print." Can't wait to see his face ha ha ha.

You have tough competition though, Holly. I think this girl is more his type:

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HollyT
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Post   » Sun Apr 20, 2003 2:31 pm


The photos on their computers are hilarious. Have you see the one of the dress up dinner? There is a floozy sitting on Dr. R's lap....hilarious!

BTW, you've got your own personal stash of his pictures? And you think I'M the stalking type? oh please...

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