Pig In Distress -- Mites -- HELP, Please...

lyria

Post   » Tue Apr 22, 2003 9:43 pm


Hello all. As you can notice I am new to this board, however I am a pig owner and need some assistance, desparately.

My 1 year old, Midnight recently made a Vet trip and was diagnosed with Mites... she is nearly bald now from itching and was medicated by means of an injection of Ivermectin. My vet would like to see her in 2 weeks and insists that I will see improvement. This was on Thursday (4/17/03).

I am so concerned now since I am not seeing an improvement in that she has itched the same spot over and over, she has removed all the hair in this area and has actually broken the skin and is bleeding what I consider to be a decent amount. If necessary, I can take a photo and post it on the web somewhere if you all may need a visual.

Point blank, she is in pain and obvious discomfort and it is breaking my heart to see her this way.

My question... Is there any home medication that I could provide to make her a little more comfortable until the injeciton does it's job? For example, when kids have chicken pox, sometimes oatmeal alleviates the itch. Is there anything that I can do to alleviate some of the discomfort?

Any help would be greatly appreciated...

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jessicariekena
Pigs n' Pine

Post   » Tue Apr 22, 2003 9:56 pm


Your vet needs to follow up with another injection on Ivermec in 7-10 days. Make sure she/he does that.

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jessicariekena
Pigs n' Pine

Post   » Tue Apr 22, 2003 9:58 pm


Does Midnight look like this? I don't know what else you can do besides waiting for the Ivermec to kick in. This link may help... http://www.guinealynx.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=68

HollyT
Get on your bike.

Post   » Tue Apr 22, 2003 9:59 pm


Two weeks is too far a time span for the Ivermectin to work. Pigs need to be dosed two to three times spaced 7-10 days apart. Any longer than that allows the eggs to hatch and the medicine becomes ineffective. If she was dosed this past Thursday she'll need another injection by Sunday at the latest.

I'm not sure what you could use to relieve her of the itch. Her wound sounds painful. Someone else may know.

lyria

Post   » Tue Apr 22, 2003 9:59 pm


I will certainly do this... which is about 8 days away... what could I do for her in the meantime? Anything? I can't handle her little cries... :(

HollyT
Get on your bike.

Post   » Tue Apr 22, 2003 10:02 pm


Do a search on mites/Ivermectin and see if something comes up. I know some good shampoos but bathing her right now would be too painful.

lyria

Post   » Tue Apr 22, 2003 10:04 pm


The link that was posted looks 'tame' compared to my girl... I would say that all the hair on her hind legs is gone and now the hair on her back and near her neck is going as well.

Funny thing is that she lives with 2 others (Sophie and Peanut) and they are not haveing problems at all (althought they were also treated by the Vet as a percaution. They have all been together since purchased... we can't explain it.

If a picture of my girl is needed to assist, just ask. I can have one posted in a 'New York Minute'... that means really fast.

Thanks for the replies thus far...

pinta

Post   » Tue Apr 22, 2003 10:04 pm


NSAID pain relief like Rimadyl or Meloxicam would be good. Steroids would also help but compromise the the immune system.

It takes about a week before they START to feel relief.

2 weeks between treatments is actually okay for most pigs but the time span should be no longer than that. Severe cases could take 4 or 5 treatments at 7 day intervals. 7 to 10 days is the average time span.

lyria

Post   » Tue Apr 22, 2003 10:12 pm


Holly T... you mentioned shampoos... I may want to take the risk if it means the greater good in the end... what do you recommend?

HollyT
Get on your bike.

Post   » Tue Apr 22, 2003 10:18 pm


No, really you don't. Pigs with open wounds due to mites should not be bathed. It would hurt her. When her wounds heal there are some good shampoos listed in the grooming section for dry/problem skin.

The pain medication pinta mentioned is a better idea. Your vet can prescribe it for you. Tell him how much pain she is in with the crying and scratching and hopefully the vet will comply.

I know you want to help her but bathing really isn't a good idea right now.

Also, it isn't uncommon for one pig to have symptoms while the others don't. It doesn't mean they aren't there. All pigs living together need to be treated so it's good you're having the others done as a precaution.

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Lynx
RESIST

Post   » Tue Apr 22, 2003 10:38 pm


You might call the vet about the injuries. And do insist they be treated with ivermectin (the second dose) in 7 days instead of 14. At least the guinea pig that is in such pain. Emphasize how severe a reaction your pet is having.

Clean the raw areas with an antibiotic wash of some sort and air dry (or use a blow drier). Try to put on a small amount of preparation H -- it is soothing and may help take away some of the pain.

Read about mites and ivermectin on the GL reference.

lyria

Post   » Tue Apr 22, 2003 10:41 pm


Thanks for all the help. I am going to insist on seeing the vet, however, I am going to try this recommended route as well... hopefully it is as good as it sounds... I will be sure to post the results for others like me...
http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/pigdisease/

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swannie
For the love of pigs!

Post   » Tue Apr 22, 2003 10:45 pm


Eeek! Not the bag balm!

HollyT
Get on your bike.

Post   » Tue Apr 22, 2003 10:45 pm


There was a thread on that method not long ago. Really not a good idea. The vasoline can suffocate the skin and it could be dangerous if ingested. I'm sure your vet would agree.

Yeah, the bag balm isn't good either. I'll try to find the thread and post it here.

http://www.guinealynx.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3000&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Josephine works in the veterinary field and Teresa runs a large scale rescue. Both are very knowledable about guinea pig care as are others who posted on that thread. You should reconsider.
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Lynx
RESIST

Post   » Tue Apr 22, 2003 10:46 pm


No no no no !!! We've been over this site before and the information as absolutely abominable!!

See a vet. Don't use bag balm on your poor pig! It will absolutely NOT get rid of the mites!

And yes, this is the same person who was slathering her pig with vaseline! She moderated that advice (since she actually never even used it) but it is still up there.

If you want advice on mites, please read www.guinealynx.info/ivermectin.html and skip that advice.

HollyT
Get on your bike.

Post   » Tue Apr 22, 2003 11:01 pm


Actually, didn't bother to reread before I posted. It's quite a humorous thread to be reposting......hahahahaha

pinta

Post   » Tue Apr 22, 2003 11:13 pm


She may be allergic to mites. Sounds just like Beijing who was so violently allergic all her hair fell out. The other pigs showed no signs of an infestation - just her. Make absolutely sure any pigs that come into contact with her are treated for mites.

Josephine
Little Jo Wheek

Post   » Wed Apr 23, 2003 10:43 am


Steroid injection. That's all I have to say.

lyria

Post   » Sun Apr 27, 2003 2:44 pm


Thank you for all the help... it is much appreciated. I am sure that you all have an idea as to how I was feeling. I hate seeing any animal in pain.

Ok... so here is what I did... and before you all begin to yell; yes, I went against advice and did the Bag Balm treatment.

I would however like to provide some advice and an opinion here... the Bag Balm works. However, I would like to make some modifications to the link that I posted earlier.

Firstly, I do not recommend petroleum jelly. There are too many unknown factors here and I was not about to take the risk of Midnight eating this stuff... so my thoughts and advice (which I think all of you would agree) stay away from the petroleum jelly.
As for the Bag Balm, I would strongly suggest not putting the Bag Balm all over... in my case, Midnight had a 'hot spot'. I see it all the time with my dog. It happens to him in the summertime when allergy season hits.... this is what Midnight was experiencing. She had one spot that she continued to itch over and over until she bled. This could be most painful.

What I did was, I applied a thin coat of the Bag Balm to her 'hot spot' and massaged it into the area. Yes, this was a bit uncomfortable to her at first... then I could feel her relax as though it were soothing. It was. Her itching ceased immediately and she began eating and becoming social again.

The following day, I also bathed her. I used an aloe based bunny shampoo, which also did the trick. After the bath, I applied a second coat of the Bag Balm.

I have to say although I did not follow the advice of "douse the pig in Bag Balm", the product did do the trick for my sick pig.

So, in conclusion, please do not scorn me for going against your much needed advice, however I took a gamble and it paid off. I couldn't stand by and watch her suffering any more. So, I am sure that you could sympathize.

Finally, I will recommend the Bag Balm treatment. I think that there are horror stories to this, however I also think that this should be used in moderation.

I ordered the Bag Bal at an online pet store... I also bought a second container for my dog.

Once again, thank you for all your help. I do appreciate all opinions!!!

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lisam

Post   » Sun Apr 27, 2003 3:45 pm


I wouldn't even use bag balm on my cow. If I had one. I certainly don't use it on my horses. And guinea pigs don't get "hot spots". They get mites. And mites cannot be taken care of in any other way except ivermectin.

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