Molly fell and are onw dragging both back legs

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Bugs Mom

Post   » Sun Mar 15, 2009 6:35 pm


If she's eating then she still has fight left in her. I have no direct knowledge but I do know there have been success stories of dogs and cats that do very well with "wheels" so I don't know why, with special care, a guinea pig won't.

You'll just have to see what transpires tomorrow and decide for yourself. Good luck and I hope it goes well for you both.

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GuineaPigFun

Post   » Sun Mar 15, 2009 6:39 pm


Might want to wait until you see the x-rays. ;) I expected to see babies and a stone last night on Pumpkin's x-rays and neither was present which was a relief.

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Lynx
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Post   » Sun Mar 15, 2009 7:46 pm


Time really can make a big difference. Some pigs recover after a few days (or longer). I would look at how she is doing and how well she is eating (quality of life) and give her a chance.

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poppypiggy

Post   » Sun Mar 15, 2009 8:01 pm


Thanks for your encouragement - it is very much appreciated! I have to wait and see what tomorrow brings, but hope for the best. And I will allways try to have Molly's best interests in mind. Her quality of life must be the most important. She is such a sweet pig and loves her chin scrithces and attention from her humans, even if she can be pretty mean to the other pigs, especially Pippi.

I am glad there was no pups and no stone on Pumkin's x-ray, GuineaPigFun.
un!

lainier

Post   » Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:10 am


I've sent you an e-mail about my guinea pig Dudley who had a spinal injury in October. Most importantly, give her time to heal if your vet thinks there is hope. It took Dudley a couple of months to heal and I think that the meloxicam really helped with the pain and inflammation.
Best of luck with Molly.

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poppypiggy

Post   » Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:17 am


Thank you so much, lainier - I got your mail! We are off to the vets in a few minutes. Wish us luck!

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tiggyswift

Post   » Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:22 am


I agree that she still has fight left in her. As long as she is eating and drinking well, give her time to heal. It is amazing what time can heal.
Good luck at the vet! Keep fighting Molly! You are one amazing little girl!

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poppypiggy

Post   » Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:12 am


Thanks, tiggyswift!

We are back from the vet now, and the news are not very encouraging, as there is a severe fracture in Molly's spine between her second and third rib (counted from the "tail"). But there is also some reflexes in both legs, so there is a small chance that she can recover, at least to a degree. I have the x-rays with me, and hope to find a way to digitize them, so I can post them here.

I know many other vets here would have suggested euthanasia at once, but this one is educated in UK (Edinburgh), and has a more "modern" aproach, so she said we shall wait and see if by any chance Molly will heal by her self. She will of course get metacam to keep her as pain free as possible.

When I showed the vet the printout of the Roxy Roller tread she was amazed when I told how Roxy had recoveres so well with it, and agreed totally with my idea of making something in that direction for Molly too.

The aim will be to stabilize her spine and keep it straight, though, like a body corsette (is that the right word i English?). I am at work now, but will try to get hold of the material I need on may way home, and then start to make one as soon as I get there.

By now I think I will cut out pieces from robust plastic bottles to provide the needed stability, with one piece underneath her and another one along her back. I intend to use neoprene or somthing similar to make a harness, and then cover the inside with fleece. I have it all worked out in my head, and only have to refine the idea a bit, I hope!

If any of you have comments or ideas I will be very happy to hear them!

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Lynx
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Post   » Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:31 am


If she is no longer able to get her "special droppings", see if you can help her.

We are all hoping she can recover. It would be great if you can somehow photograph (against a bright light) the xrays. Or scan them.

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Bugs Mom

Post   » Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:57 am


Reflex action is a very good sign. Ditto Lynx. Holding good thoughts for Molly.

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poppypiggy

Post   » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:52 am


Thaks you for your replies and good thoughts!

Molly can definitely not reach her "special droppings", and I have tried to offer her the little pile that builds up behind her, but so far she has not wanted any of it. I'll try arain, though. Would vitamine B supplement be a consideration later on if she continues to have this problem?

I will see if I can photograph the x-rays against a window. If that doesn't work I will try to find an appropriate scanner.

I think I have the tings I will need for making Molly's harness/corsette. I found some cute little wheels, and bought four, as I think they will stabilize the roller better than two will. I also have decided to use leather in stead of neoprene for the prototype, as I have a lot of leather scraps laying around, and neoprene was difficult to find at the moment. We'll see if it works!

maremma

Post   » Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:39 pm


I am so sorry your poor baby has fallen:( Thank you so much for trying so hard to help her.

Animals are far different from humans. Even if she doesn't fully recover, It doesn't mean she has to be put to sleep. Animals frequently adjust when something bad happens and continue to enojoy their lives even with a disability.

magicmoo

Post   » Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:54 pm


I am so sorry that Molly has fallen-I know how heartbreaking an injury can be. Giggles was heavily kicked(with shoes on) as a baby by accident. Giggles dashed out from under a blanket from under a blanket as my youngest walked by.

My vet(as was then) sent me on a huge guilt trip and said that they should never be allowed out of their cages as they are at least safe in there. My reply was that, as humans we too, would all be safe if we never stepped foot over our doorsteps, but that is not a good life to lead. He would not do x-rays as he thought it wasn't worth it. :(

She never even got pain relief, as I didn't know any better at that point.

We waited to see, as we were advised. It took a couple of weeks before she started to walk normally again-in the first couple of days she barely moved.

I guess what I am saying is that we didn't know what we were waiting for Giggles to recover from, yet recover she did. There is hope for Molly yet. You do know what has happened and I think that the working reflexes sounds like encouraging news. You are doing all you can with the wheels etc, and it won't be for want of your trying if she does face disability.

Good luck and keep strong.

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Bethie
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Post   » Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:55 pm


You are so good for taking care of Molly. We're keeping good thoughts for her.

lainier

Post   » Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:27 pm


Hi,
You might want to wait a little while before putting Molly into a roxy roller. My vet told us to give it a month before trying anything like that. Reason being that the spine needs time to heal and that she may make a recovery within that time. Any kind of movement might worsen her condition. Dudley also had some slight movement in his back legs after the injury and he is now almost back to normal. We started with gentle physio about 3 weeks after his injury and it worked wonders. It started to strengthen the muscles that had not been used in the 3 week resting period.
We had to give Dudley his 'special droppings', as Lynx suggested. Maybe Critical Care mix will help too as this also contains some probiotics for the gut.
Best of luck with little Molly,
Elaine

EllieMom

Post   » Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:40 pm


My Doodle lost movement in her hind legs following an operation for ovarian cysts. It took about three months to go away, but today she gets along very well, although she tends to hop rather than walk (well, waddle) like my other pigs. The doctor told us that reflex reaction was a very good indicator of potential recovery. Good luck to you all. It sounds like you've got a great "can do" attitude and she's a tough little piglet.

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tiggyswift

Post   » Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:43 pm


I agree on waiting a bit before you put her in the Roxy roller. It could cause more damage. Right now she needs to rest and keep as still as possible so she can heal. I would wait the month that was recommended already. You could always mix a few cecals in water and syringe them to her.

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poppypiggy

Post   » Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:50 pm


Thanks for all the good suggestions and all well wishes. You GL'ers are amazing in the way you care for piggies everywere! I am very grateful! And you are of course right that it is far to early to start with exercise for poor little Molly.

In fact I have been thinking a lot today on how to modify the Roxy Roller to fit Molly’s needs, and have come to the conclusion that I will not put wheels on the harness or corset I am making for her at this stage. My thought is that she needs something to support and hopefully also straighten her spine, as it at this stage is quite visibly bent (I will try to take a photo of it against a window in the daylight tomorrow so you all can see).

I talked again on the phone with my vet, and we agreed that I shall bring Molly and the harness to her office sometime tomorrow, and then she can look at it, and if she thinks it’s seems to fit the purpose, we can put it on Molly together. The idea is to let her have it on all the time, if possible.

I have made the first prototype almost finished, and has tried it on Pippi – I will not handle Molly more than absolutely necessary – and Pippi was NOT amused! I also tried to let Pippi walk with it, but she refused until I put her in the cage. Then she started to run, quite panicky. That made me think that the whole idea perhaps is not as good as I first thought. But I feel very strongly that Molly needs something to support her spine while it is healing. Perhaps a “body wrap” is better? I mean the elastic, slightly sticky kind, I think it is called Suflex or something like that, and is should be on her for several weeks. Then she can have the leather harness, and I can put the wheels on it to support her back legs at a later stage.

I want to do what is best for my piggy, and at the moment I am not quite sure what that will be! I have to take to dog out for a little walk while I think this over again.

Talishan
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Post   » Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:03 pm


"Would vitamine B supplement be a consideration later on if she continues to have this problem?"

Yes. This stuff has worked very well for us, although it tastes horrible to them:

http://www.vetdepot.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1063

Kudos to you for working so hard to help her. Please keep us posted as you and she progress. This thread will not only help Molly but be a wonderful resource for others facing the same problems down the road.

1921kathryn

Post   » Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:56 pm


Sorry to hear about Molly, that's so heartbreaking!

I STEPPED on my guinea pig the other day ;(

She is free range around the house, she decided to visit a big woolen cardigan that dropped onto the floor that was hanging over a chair.

GOD it scared me!!

She screamed and bolted into a corner and chattered her teeth, she didn't trust me for days.

Thank goodness she's ok!

They are such vulnerable little creatures, and invoke such pathos

Good luck with Molly x

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