Lily, the fluffy, fluffy Texel

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tara8301
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Post   » Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:08 pm


So after I had to have Herb euthed I've been super attentive to my piggles and trying to bean even better cavy slave to avoid such situations again. Well as much as humanly possible.

Anyway, I noticed her wheezing this morning and I immediately though URI. She isn't sneezing or coughing though, but I figured I'd still get her to the vet asap to be sure. I had to leave for 2 hrs. for class (attendance is mandatory and only emergencies are excused... as much as I thought it was an emergency, I seriously doubt my professors would feel the same :( ) but when I returned, she wasn't wheezing. I'd already made the vet appt. so off we went.

The vet didn't hear any fluid in the lungs and said her heart sounded completely normal. She said sometimes pigs will develop allergies or asthma later in life (Lily is 4), but I'd never heard that. Of course, there could be something on here and I just haven't perused the info enough yet. I haven't heard her wheeze at all since this morning, and she's eating/peeing/pooping/acting totally normal (though I know piggies will hide sickness). So has anyone else ever heard of this allergy/asthma thing?

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sus4rabbitsnpigs

Post   » Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:18 pm


Rare.

The heart may sound fine but I'd get an x ray. She may have heart issues.

What bedding or hay are you using? Slight chance it may have been too dusty for her. Switch to fleece and see if that helps (unless you already use it)

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tara8301
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Post   » Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:22 pm


I use carefresh and fleece. Oh, and Oxbow timothy and orchard grass. The hay *is* kinda dusty as it's getting down towards the bottom of the bag (I'm getting some KM's though!) The vet said if I notice it again they'd do xrays.

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Lynx
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Post   » Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:06 pm


Sometimes just after eating there are funny breathing sounds too.

More on heart issues if you need it:
gl/heart.html

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tara8301
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Post   » Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:38 pm


So what is this "hooting" sound? I know I've tried to find somewhere to hear it before, but all the links on here wouldn't work. =( I'm pretty sure that's not what she was doing, but it would still be nice to know for reference. She doesn't have any of the other symptoms mentioned on heart page, and the vet did check in her mouth for mucous membrane color (which was normal).

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Sidera17

Post   » Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:11 pm


I second that tara. The link didn't work for me either. We need a good sample of hooting.

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Post   » Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:36 pm


Hooting can sound like a dove cooing.

There are some hooting videos here:
LINKS - Hooting Videos / Sound Files

I checked the video links, and they work for me. Please let me know if you find one that does not work.

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tara8301
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Post   » Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:10 pm


All of those worked. I was referring to just sound only files that I saw somewheres on here. Kermie's video was the only one I could hear really well, even when I had all the volume turned up. But that's def not what Lily was doing!

Though, in my search to find good hooting noises, I did see someone mention in a YouTube comment for one of the videos that there's a correlation between heart problems and pea eye...?? Lily *does* have pea eye, but nothing about pea eye/heart problems on either heart or eye pages here?

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tara8301
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Post   » Thu Apr 23, 2009 10:54 pm


Ah, crap. I just read the thing about pea eye and fluid retention. I'm gonna try to get a picture of Lily's eye(s) and post to see what you think. The vet didn't say anything about her eyes during her examination, but she did very clearly check the eyes out well because she was looking for discharge. So maybe it's not pea eye?? I've looked at other pictures of it on here and it doesn't seem as severe as others, but you can definitely see the conjunctiva.

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tara8301
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Post   » Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:25 pm


Ok, here's the pics. Oh, and in my post above I think I meant you could see the sclera (the white part), not the conjunctiva because you can't see down into the fleshy pink part around her eye or anything. I couldn't get a good picture from above, but the white part isn't bulging out.

Right eye:

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Left eye:

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Lynx
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Post   » Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:38 am


Looks like pea eye then. If not irritated, she may do fine.

gl/eyes.html

Let me know if you'd like me to add your pics to the thread.

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tara8301
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Post   » Sat Apr 25, 2009 7:18 pm


It doesn't seem irritated. It's not red and there's definitely no discharge. I guess I should be making another vet appt. for x-rays to check out the size of her heart since there can still be problems even if it sounds normal...?

Oh, and you can add the pics if you think they are good enough! =)

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Lynx
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Post   » Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:48 pm


Thanks for the pics (I added them).

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tara8301
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Post   » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:04 pm


I think Lily may be losing weight. The last time I posted about her was when I took her to the vet because she was wheezing, but after my initial freak-out and belief that it was for certain a URI and a vet check-up, I think it was just from the hay. It was towards the bottom of the bag and was pretty dusty.

Anyway, she weighs 900 grams now. When I got her in October 2006, she weighed 1011 grams according to the papers I got from the rescue. I know 100 grams is a lot to lose, but it has been over the past almost 3 years. I really didn't weigh her regularly until about 6 months ago (I know, I need slapped), but even in that time there's only been a loss of maybe 2 ounces. Aside from the little incident in April which thankfully didn't amount to anything, her vets have always given her a clean bill of health.

I just sort of had a funny feeling she was losing weight so I've been weighing her daily for 4 days. There's been some fluctuations of about an ounce, but nothing more. I can't seem to find it now, but I saw somewhere in the info that an ounce fluctuation is ok...? She is still eating her veggies and hay with gusto--in fact she just devoured some green pepper I gave her (she's even trying to steal Nibs' pepper at the moment) to placate her after I was trimming her hair. She was very upset about this and was grinding her teeth at me... but she usually does that when I trim her up. Her activity level is normal too, and if she's laying down, it's not difficult to rouse her. Just before trimming her hair, I'd been exercising and she was just a happy little pig sitting in my lap purring and licking my sweaty arms (gross, I know... but she was purring away!)

I read all the info about malocclusion and she doesn't overtly have any of those symptoms. No drooling or difficulty eating. She eats faster than Nibs does. The only time I've ever noticed her have a wet chin is when I give them really wet lettuce that I've just washed. She's not too fond of my fingers in her mouth, not that I blame her, but her front teeth looked fine. I also read up on URI's and heart problems again just to make sure she's not having any of those symptoms, and aside from her pea-eye, she doesn't really have any of those either.

She *is* almost 5 years old, and while I know that's not ancient by any means, she is older. I know older people generally slow down and lose weight... perhaps Lily could be doing that??

Should I go ahead and make a vet appt. or keep weighing her and keep a close eye on her?

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tara8301
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Post   » Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:02 pm


I don't want to ignore the problem if there is one, but I just realized that it could be my scale. I looks like this with the large bowl -- http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=10098024 -- but it's not digital. It's analog or whatever its called like this one -- http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=10098022&findingMethod=rr . It has grams and ounces and goes up to 7 lbs. I guess it isn't the most reliable thing. I just weighed her again and she weighed almost a kg. Is a digital one better? Any good recommendations for a cheap, but reliable one?

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Lynx
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Post   » Tue Jun 16, 2009 9:46 pm


For the time being (until you find one you like more), I recommend looking around at some of your stock kitchen items and weighing a few of them that are somewhere between a pound and two pounds. Record their weights and you can double check your scale for general accuracy if you don't trust it.

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tara8301
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Post   » Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:48 pm


So I weighed her today and her weight was up from yesterday, though she had just been munching on hay. Since my scale isn't all that exact, I can't really determine how much it's up. Yesterday the needle was just under 900 g. and today it was just over that. But I'm sure however much it is within the daily acceptable fluctuations. Still no noticeable signs of anything wrong and she's still the loudmouth around here. Not that I mind the sound of her wheeks. :) I'll continue to monitor her and hopefully be able to get a new scale soon.

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Lynx
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Post   » Wed Jun 17, 2009 8:46 pm


Please grab a can of beans or something in your kitchen that you always have around and weigh it now. Use this item to check your scale for accuracy. You are looking for relative weight changes.

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tara8301
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Post   » Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:35 pm


Oh, yeah. I forgot to mention that I'd weighed a can of pineapple. 1 lb. 4 oz. almost right on the dot, so maybe it's better than I thought. Still want to invest in a digital though 'cause I think it will be easier to read and deal with.

Lynx, what do you mean by relative weight changes?

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zazzified

Post   » Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:46 pm


Meaning that even if the scale is off or inconsistent, you can use something that does not change in weight for comparison until you get a scale you trust. So you weighed the pineapple now, and then before you weigh your pig, weigh that can again. If it comes out the same, you know that the weight will be a proper comparison. If it comes out different, you know it'll be off for your pig too. That way even if you don't know the exact weight, you can properly monitor changes in weight.

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