Diarrhea + fit

Charybdis

Post   » Wed May 28, 2003 7:50 pm


Finally she peed. There is bright red blood in it.

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charandmin

Post   » Wed May 28, 2003 8:02 pm


Maybe the minerals/crystals are irritating the urinary tract and causing the blood and maybe a partial blockage that still allows some urine through.

I don't really know anything I'm just trying to think of stuff.

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melcvt00

Post   » Wed May 28, 2003 9:07 pm


Ya know, I wish I had the abilities to scan x-rays like that. :)

Has she pooped at all? If she has, I would be interested in seeing recheck x-rays to see if that mineralization is still there. If it was in the rectum (unless it was completely embedded in tissue), it should move out with pooping.

Charybdis

Post   » Wed May 28, 2003 9:10 pm


That actually makes a little bit of sense. The vet did not think that the object was in the urethra because she is still able to urinate. But what if it is a stone and he's just not adept at analyzing it?

Josephine
Little Jo Wheek

Post   » Wed May 28, 2003 9:30 pm


I bet it's a urinary tract stone. That would be good, since it isn't usually too difficult to remove and make her feel better again. I hope you're continuing a course of antibiotics as well (I know she had a Baytril injection).

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Becky

Post   » Wed May 28, 2003 9:32 pm


They can pee past a urinary tract stone, I believe. Cookie had one stuck for quite a while and she passed urine.

Chary, eegads! What a day!

Charybdis

Post   » Wed May 28, 2003 9:40 pm


She is continuing on Baytril. She drank a little water on her own.

So re-take the x rays after how long?

And if it remained the solution would be surgical then?

Josephine
Little Jo Wheek

Post   » Wed May 28, 2003 9:48 pm


On stone pigs we sometimes take a new xray every day to track progress. It seems to be a larger stone. May or may not be surgical. Some sows pass huge stones and some can be manipulated out with a little anesthesia and no incision into the bladder. Just flushing the urethra. If she's still continuing to have problems with bloody urine and not eating, you need to do sx sooner rather than later.

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Becky

Post   » Wed May 28, 2003 10:02 pm


Cookie's first stone was "plucked" from the urethra since it was so close to the opening. The original plan was to push it back into the bladder and perform surgery.

Luckily, he was able to reach it without any invasive surgery.

Charybdis

Post   » Wed May 28, 2003 10:07 pm


Why does my vet have to be out of town at these times?

Charybdis

Post   » Thu May 29, 2003 10:51 am


Meg has perked up some, enough to fight me on the hand feeding and give me a few vicous head butts (she is reigning queen of head butts).

She let out a few tiny poops during the night but it was painful for her. They were connected like sausages. But now she has not pooped in several hours. Her urine is still tinged with blood.

I have some questions:

--could it be a mass in the rectum that is causing her difficulty in passing poops?

--if the mass/crystal formation is in the urethra, does it look big enough to be preventing her from pooping as well?

Josephine
Little Jo Wheek

Post   » Thu May 29, 2003 11:05 am


Yes and yes. Especially pain upon defecation--no matter where the calcification is located. It isn't the largest stone/mass I've seen in a cavy, but it is larger than most. Poor pig.

If she isn't on steroids, pain meds would be nice (NSAIDS). Otherwise continuing the Dex would probably be a good idea every 12 hours for a couple more days. You can't use NSAIDS with steroids due to the possible side effects, which may be irreversible (GIT ulceration).

Charybdis

Post   » Thu May 29, 2003 11:08 am


I can get either, although the Dex, at $30 a pop, is expensive.

Would it be better just to have the vet try to remove it or wait to see if it passes? Is it too large to pass?

Josephine
Little Jo Wheek

Post   » Thu May 29, 2003 1:52 pm


I guess your regular vet would just give you some Dex in a red top tube so you could use it as necessary? I can't believe they are charging you per injection. Dex is cheap and cavies us such a tiny amount! When is your regular vet back? Doing the NSAIDS now are probably a decent choice if she is improved.

It would probably be a good idea to see if the vet can try to remove it through the urethra (don't know about size really--it's hard for me to measure it), and if that doesn't work just take her to surgery. I think it's causing problems, but if this vet is not competent in such surgeries, it can wait a few days if your regular vet will be around. It seems as if she's urinating, so it isn't an emergency yet. The danger is having it completely block the urethra so that no urine will pass. That is a medical emergency. The best thing is to get it taken care of by a competent vet as soon as possible, though.

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charandmin

Post   » Thu May 29, 2003 2:05 pm


Chary, what about taking her to the Monrovia vet? Or Avian Exotic if you don't trust the LBH vet.

Also how is she doing is she looking worse, better, same?

Charybdis

Post   » Thu May 29, 2003 3:27 pm


She had a few tiny poops but they caused her some pain. She is still urinating but that also causes her pain. She ate a little romaine this morning but didn't finish it all.

Dr. R is back today. I called and asked him to look at Meg's x rays. I am hoping that he will be able to help her, and fast. I don't want her to go downhill.

I can't give her any more SQ because she struggles too much. Have to find someone to come hold her.

Charybdis

Post   » Thu May 29, 2003 5:00 pm


Took her to a foster's house to administer the SQ. I don't have a flexible tube.

She is still urinating and letting out the occasional tiny poop.

Charybdis

Post   » Fri May 30, 2003 1:22 am


The vet never called me back. She has not urinated since this afternoon, as far as I know. She has had 40ml of LRS and is drinking water. I am worried.

She is not pooping either. All the vets except the ER is closed and she does not have exotic experience.

pinta

Post   » Fri May 30, 2003 1:57 am


Damn. She may need a flushing of the urethrea to try and move the stone into the bladder. An emergency vet could do that. My vets who have the least experience with pigs have been able to flush the urethrea.

Charybdis

Post   » Fri May 30, 2003 2:29 am


Called the ER vet and all she could offer was a cysto. Held Meg for half an hour deciding and she peed on me out of spite. Oldest trick in the book. *whew* I thought she couldn't pass up a chance to pee on my lap.

She has suddenly perked up and started hopping around the cage digging and biting at things. She is now eating some romaine and drank a little water on her own. Maybe she feels better after she pees.

I am very pissed at the vet. I waited all day for him to call me back.

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