Diarrhea + fit


Post   » Fri May 30, 2003 12:40 pm

Meg has not pooped all night despite being fed Critical Care and even eating a little romaine and carrot. The vet can see her in about 6 hours. The Reglan doesn't seem to be helping. I think the stone is blocking her from pooping.

Would giving her more Reglan be beneficial or potentially harmful at this point, since she probably cannot pass the stone and nothing seems to be able to get past it?

Also, should I continue to feed her when she cannot pass it?


Post   » Fri May 30, 2003 3:59 pm

The vet called. He has never attempted to remove a urolith without surgery before. I printed out the info in the reference forum. Does anyone else have any resources?

Little Jo Wheek

Post   » Fri May 30, 2003 11:11 pm

References? No, unfortunately. Hmmmm....

I wouldn't give any more Reglan if you think she can't poop at all. She does need food, though or else you're going to have to deal with hepatic lipidosis, GIT stasis, and hypoglycemia (not good options at all). It sounds as if you need to have a vet try to move the stone at least. Someone with experience. I wish I had connections down there. The closest I could find a referral might be the SF Bay Area. I know that's a long way for you.

Do you have anyone down there that can do it? I'm worried, too.

How is she doing now?


Post   » Sat May 31, 2003 1:33 am

He did it! Dr R. removed Meg's stone. It was very large and he had to make a small incision on the urethra to pluck it out but he says that she is going to be fine. He is going to show me the stone tomorrow when I pick Meg up, and then send it off for analysis.

The vet was very reluctant to perform the procedure. He kept reminding me of the low incidence of bladderstones in guinea pigs and was still unsure if the stone was in the urethra or colon. He even suggested that she might have swallowed a rock (oh, please!)

I printed out the article on uroliths in guinea pigs linked from the reference forum and pointed out how Meg's crystal formation looked exactly like the one in the illustration. After some nagging, he agreed to sedate her and try to get the stone out.

She was so worn out from all the pain and being blocked up that she let me leave a bunch of lipgloss kisses all over her face. I was worried that I would never see her again. They called me on my class break to let me know that she was out of the anaesthesia and walking around, stone-free.

I am so relieved. This is probably a good example of how even excellent vets may be reluctant to perform procedures on guinea pigs. I'm glad that I didn't back down.

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Post   » Sat May 31, 2003 1:38 am

That's great, Chary! Poor girl must feel so much better now.

Not to put a damper on things, but watch her for more stones. You might want to put her on polycitra right away, even if you don't have the lab results. Chances are the stone is calcium carbonate.

Again, great!

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Post   » Sat May 31, 2003 1:38 am

Oh thank God! I hold my breath every time this thread comes up. Swallowed a rock?? Have you been giving him pedialyte spiked with vodka again?


Post   » Sat May 31, 2003 1:48 am

That was an odd suggestion, wasn't it?

Becky, that's a good idea. I was wondering about what other precautions I might take for her. I know that they can get polycitra for me and perhaps they will give me some tomorrow in addition to painkillers. I will also probably spend some time adjusting her veggie variety.

She's a lucky girl. All the way to school tonight I kept thinking of what a horrible life she has had and prayed that she might know some happiness finally.

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Post   » Sat May 31, 2003 1:54 am

Polycitra is a human drug. Cheap, too. I get about a six-month supply for about $15.00.

If you'd like, I can put together what I feed my pigs in deference to my sludge girl. I can email it to you. I don't want to bore people again with my "theories" on calcium/phosporus ratios, et.al.

And nice pat on the back for you for giving this girl the attention she needed.

Swallowed a rock? Good one.


Post   » Sat May 31, 2003 2:12 am

That would be great, Becky, thanks.

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Post   » Sat May 31, 2003 2:14 am

I'll put something together this weekend.


Post   » Sat May 31, 2003 3:01 am

Is she on ABs? I would worry about the incision in the urethrea. Definitely a place for infection to develop.

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Post   » Sat May 31, 2003 8:20 am

Becky, I encourage you to bore people in the reference forum. We like to be bored!

And I am SO happy your vet was able to remove the stone. It must have been a whopper. I imagine this pig will still be on antibiotics for some time as it is likely there was trauma/scraping.


Post   » Sat May 31, 2003 2:49 pm

Meg is doing well. She is sitting her devouring romaine and carrot. You can tell that she feels a lot better. Her urine is clear now.

She is on Baytril with some Rimadyl for the pain. The incision was just below the urethra, and she has 3 dissolvable stiches. The vet told me just to check it for irritation.

Her stone was huge. I would have had trouble passing it. The vet is going to send me the measurement.

Little Jo Wheek

Post   » Sat May 31, 2003 9:22 pm

I'm so relieved. Good job, Chary.

I knew it!


Post   » Sat May 31, 2003 11:55 pm

I think the procedure was hard on Meg. She is pretty lethargic and barely eating. After her initial plunge into the veggies, she crept back to her corner without finishing them. She is not using the water bottle at all, and I have only spied a couple of poops. Although she is peeing.

So in the meantime I am still handfeeding her and giving her pedialyte and cranberry juice. She is on Baytril.

Perhaps she is in a lot of pain. The Rimadyl dose is .3 ml q12h. Can I give her more?

Am I just being a worrywart? It has been about 30 hours since the vet removed the stone.


Post   » Sun Jun 01, 2003 12:24 am

Now some puzzling behavior. She seems to be having some kind of tic or something. Her head started bobbing up and down, kind of like a pigeon's, or more like she was nodding yes. up down up down up down up down over and over. Then she reached down and (I think) got a poop and ate it. Then she repeated the process.

When Meg's adopter first called me, she said that Meg was "shaking her head" at her, and I think this is what she meant.

What could this mean?

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Post   » Sun Jun 01, 2003 1:30 am

I don't know. Could she be getting her self prepared for the pain of reaching down since the stone? Or possibly hesistant because she has learned what it feels like to move into that position?


Post   » Sun Jun 01, 2003 1:39 am

I'm concerned aboput the incision. Perhaps she needs a different antibiotic. Is she hydrated?

I wish I had more to offer helpwise. Maybe Josephine will check in.

I don't know what your concentration of Rimadyl is.


Post   » Sun Jun 01, 2003 2:10 am

Talked to the adopter and she said that Meg was shaking her head rapidly from side to side, not the same thing.

It is possible that she is doing this while chewing. I did ask Dr. R to look at her teeth but forgot to ask him if he had done it. Head moving up and down while chewing...sound familiar at all?

I am hydrating her orally to avoid stressing her out more. Pedialyte and cranberry juice. I have seen her at the water bottle.

The antibiotic is Baytril. I could put her on Bactrim but would that be as helpful in healing the incision?

The Rimadyl concentration is 10mg/ml (50mg of Rimadyl in 5 ml. Val Syrup). She weighs about 800 grams. The dose on GL is 1mg/kg q24h. She is getting .3 ml q 12h

Her dose should be .8mg q24h = .4ml q 12h Right? Is her dose a little on the low side?

She is not squeaking while peeing anymore. But there are no poops in the cage. I gave her some Reglan and Simethicone.


Post   » Sun Jun 01, 2003 2:40 am

You're on your own with the math. It does sound like she could have a higher dose but Rimadyl can be tough on the liver, so you want the dose to be as low as you can get away with.

I don't know which AB would be best. When Gemma rejected her sutures she was on Doxy and Baytril concurrently.

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