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daisymay
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Post   » Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:44 am


How is Herbie today? Hoping he is well and that you have managed to get on top of things. Please keep us posted when you can. Good luck!

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LennyJ

Post   » Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:51 am


Kept to the plan of smaller regular feeds but when I saw that his tummy had deflated alot since early this am after giving his fourth dose of wind medecine, I upped the amounts as he has lost 40g.

I have been massaging his belly alot and that always leads to some serious gurgling noises which I take as a good sign. I have also had him out to run circuits of the girls enclosure 3 times. This does mean having to let him munch a few strands of grass but he seems to really want to and it is the only thing he actually wants to eat.

So far I have seen two tiny very stringy poops this morning and had just about given up again this pm....he felt bloated again so I gave him a good long massage, then out again with the girls after a 4ml of mush. I then got a tiny, very wet, poop.....so fingers crossed we can keep them coming.

I cannot hold off on antibiotics any longer either. The plan was to get some motility back then get him on them to see if we can clear the runny nose. So even though it is early poop days and we will no doubt be set back after the first hit of Baytril...we are starting on the next feed. I am going to dose him on 7.5mg every 12 hours as he is not going to get all of that due to the fact that a lot of food doesn't make it into his mouth. The Baytril is in tablet form so I have to crush it and add it to something I can put in a syringe.

What is the minimum amount of time he should be on them? 10 days? I am going to be at a better vets tomorrow to get critical care and will confirm with them but would appreciate any input based on experience as the vet won't have any but they will have a book to look it up in.

Thanks again for all the support. My husband has just read all the posts and thinks this is a great site for advice and support, especially at 4.30am!

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daisymay
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Post   » Sun Jun 06, 2010 11:00 am


Here is a link for antibiotics http://www.guinealynx.info/antibiotics.html#baytril I would say 1-7 days to be on it. Have you a probiotic to put Herbie on to protect his tummy? When Jessie was on it she went off food, pooping and peeing.
Hoping all goes well at the vet today(tomorrow where you are) Keep us posted! You are doing a wonderful job! Way to go Herbie!

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Lynx
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Post   » Sun Jun 06, 2010 12:40 pm


You can also give twice the dose every 24 hours. I believe Josephine mentioned that the manufacturers of Baytril recommend once daily medication for cats and dogs on the theory that it hits the bacteria harder (once every 24 hours) instead of less hard every 12 hours.

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LennyJ

Post   » Mon Jun 07, 2010 1:53 am


Herbie began pooping yesterday and this morning there were many regular size and looking poops. I have started him on a bit of wet food which he eats as he has lost another 70g. I think the exercise used up more calories than a sick pig usually uses up.

So we are going to try and do much larger feeds, need to get about 60ml into him each day and add wet food and see how we go.

I gave him about 5mg of Baytril yesterday evening crushed in fluid but as of this morning, think it is better to give the tablets cut to size with some non-sharp tweezers. I managed to place the tab at the back of his throat and he began chewing. I then followed up with some mush so hopefully it went down.

His eyes looked very crusty, and his nose much more so. I clean them up when needed and am now hoping the antibiotics do their job soon.

So motility sorted for now just need to get him eating on his own and this infection out of the way. He's a great piggy for having got this far!

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daisymay
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Post   » Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:04 am


So glad he is doing a bit better, hoping he continues to improve. You are doing a great job!

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Kat

Post   » Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:07 am


I'm glad Herbie is improving!

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Brainerror

Post   » Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:18 am


I was holding my breath reading this! glad to hear he's pooping again & hoping the URI will go soon. Go Herbie!

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LennyJ

Post   » Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:33 pm


Don't want to tempt fate but this afternoon this are looking OK.

His weight loss has been in freefall whilst all we had was my homemade mush but his demeanor has improved since the first day of antibiotics and with the pooping.

In addition to the weight loss he had started to be shivery which was worrying but this faded as I fed him 10ml of Critical Care. I LOVE that stuff. Also, he gained in grammes the same amount I gave him in millileters so we just have to get more in him than he uses in a day.

After the Critical Care feed I popped him out to see his girls for 2 minutes and he was running around their pen (with the obvious stops to catch his breath - he is in a weakened state). If he seems the same after the next feed and it is cooler then I will let him have a no touching (don't want the bacterial infection getting passed on) longer visit.

Side effects of Dimeticone/Simethicone.....

One thing my husband and I noticed when we were trying to figure out how he was losing such a lot of weight (we are used to seeing 30-40g per day but he has been dropping up to 60g) was that the dimeticone I had been giving him does have Sorbitol in it which is a laxative. Obviously he needed something to help him with the chronic wind he was suffering but I think I have over-done the amount and I fear that this may be blocking his uptake of what nutrients we were giving him. He has produced an enormous number of poops. So I have stopped it and am now hoping that we can just keep things moving with regular feeds of a high fiber diet and much less greens. I would be interested if anyone else has had similar experiences.

So hoping fate has not been tempted and Herbie continues to power on through like the trooper he is.

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LennyJ

Post   » Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:02 pm


I do not get it. When I finished feeding him 2 hours ago he was 1kg and now at 8pm he is 974g. It is like he is absorbing nothing or expending it all and more! We will not be able to keep him alive at this rate. Really hoping that 10+ml of Critical Care every two hours starts to have an effect... he was 1130g on 5th so that is a total loss of 154g in 2-3 days, incredible....

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Lynx
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Post   » Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:32 pm


Keep feeding him though. It will make all the difference.

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LennyJ

Post   » Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:38 am


Yep, we will. But after his last feed last night 11:30pm he was 1kg with all the food/water. This morning, he was 960g..... it is scary.

Other than weight loss he seems to be doing really well on antibiotics. Nose and eyes seems much drier. Will keep him on them until Sun.day, this means he may weigh less than 800g. Is that OK?

He ate some lettuce on his own and when he went out for his visit with the girls yesterday evening he ate grass on his own but was too tired to eat a lot.

I will let him have another visit this morning to see if it perks him up a bit. He is definatley showing signs of boredom....still would rather that than lethargy and illness!

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Post   » Tue Jun 08, 2010 3:26 am


I would also be concerned about the weight loss despite hand feeding. You may be right in your theory about malabsorption, although I have never noticed simethicone having this effect.

There could be an imbalance in his gut flora which might be helped by probiotic. I couldn't tell which probiotic you were using. There are a lot of these on the market nowadays, if you can't get your hands on one for veterinary use then there are some available in powder and liquid form in health food stores.

Sometimes malabsorption can be caused by parasites (not likely) or organ malfunction (ie. the liver or pancreas).

My suggestion would be to hand feed every 4-5 hours, give plenty of probiotics and fluids, and add some B vitamins to the mash.

I know this sounds gross, but can you break open one of his poops and tell us what color is inside compared to your other pigs'?

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LennyJ

Post   » Tue Jun 08, 2010 3:46 am


I had a look and apart from a small size difference - his are smaller - the internal colour, texture are the same.

I am not giving a probiotic as I have been mashing up the other piggies fresh poops into each batch of feed - I use about 6 for each day of food.

We do not have any vitimin B - what should I ask for at the pharmacy - just straight Vitimin B?

Thank for the help.

He has lost 6g of the 22g he gained after his feed in 1 hour.

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LennyJ

Post   » Tue Jun 08, 2010 3:48 am


At the moment we are feeding every 2-2.5 hours. Should we change to 4-5 hours and feed through the night also?

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LennyJ

Post   » Tue Jun 08, 2010 4:05 am


I have some lactobacillus fermentum et LB delbrueckii in sachet form that is for humans/women.

It also contains other things such as meat based peptone and yeast extract, B12, sodium hydroxid and lactoserum.

This is why I have not used it though the pharmastist offered it when I asked for acidofolus.

Would you say it was OK? I could try another pharmacy. It is oddly difficult to find this sort of thing in France.

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Kat

Post   » Tue Jun 08, 2010 4:14 am


I wouldn't use that probiotic. Maybe try a different pharmacy. What do people take in France when they're on antibiotics and it upsets their stomach?

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LennyJ

Post   » Tue Jun 08, 2010 4:20 am


I also have this which I use Prebio 7. BUt I think this contains too much other stuff too. I am heading off to a different pharmacy with a list of specific probiotic bacteria...so fingers crossed.

Each 500mg capsule contains Chicory Inulin Fibre (Fructo-Oligo-Saccharides), Maltodextrin, Soy Fibre, Vegetable Hypromellose (Capsule Shell), Friendly Bacteria Complex, Magnesium Stearate, Titanium Dioxide (Capsule Shell), Vitamin C (Ascorbic Acid).
The Friendly Bacteria Complex contains: Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Lactobacillus Casei, Streptococcus Thermophilus, Bifidobacterium Bifidum, Lactobacillus Bulgaricus, Bifidobacterium Longum and Lactobacillus Lactis.

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daisymay
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Post   » Tue Jun 08, 2010 5:11 am


Am hoping Herbie starts putting on weight real soon> I don't think being 800grams is too much to worry about it is when they get closer to 500grams you start to panic.
Our jessie is a big girl and she is only 830grams. Has he had blood works done? Was wondering if it maybe thyroid? I know it affects cats and they can't put on weight.
I don't know what is available in France but you can buy Probiotics on line if you can't get them where you are.
Wishing you luck and go Herbie!

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LennyJ

Post   » Tue Jun 08, 2010 5:49 am


That is good to know. My other piggies are real porkers I guess!

I have given him a probiotic - I put in half a capsule of powder to about 12ml of feed and gave him 2ml. We had just fed him 5ml as his weight was back down after 2 hours from the last feed.

I have the Vitamin B12 but do not know what quantities to give. Is there somewhere to get a dosage reference?

He is currently out for 30mins in his run to see how he goes and if he munches some grass. Also to be near his girls too.

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