Pregnant and din't know and now have 3 babies.Please help :(

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Pooja Mehta

Post   » Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:35 am


I had taken all my piggies to a vet today because all of them had few issues. There are no exotic animals vets here (India) but few people had recommended this vet, so I gave it a try.

Cupid- His abscess healed nicely but the hair and the skin never grew back in that area but the opening has shut. He has been eating, pooping and acting normally.
The vet has prescribed Pendistin ointment to be applied to that area twice a day. He said that this ointment is safe even if ingested.
1. Can I use this ointment on him?

Prince- He has been scratching a lot since two days and today I saw a bald patch on his leg. He is experiencing hair loss with dandruff/dead skin flakes at the end. I also noticed something brown on his skin at the start of the hair, he doesn't allow to touch probably and has been restless since yesterday. He is eating less since morning and mostly resting.
The vet said that it is fungal infection and told me to use a damp cloth dipped in betadine solution and to wipe Prince with it all over his body backward and forward. He ruled out the option of mites and said that guinea pigs should never be treated with ivermectin since it is not safe (Problem of finding an exotics vet in India)
2. Is the vet correct with Prince's diagnosis?

Sandy- He is having a problem with chewing and hasnt eaten much since last night. He ate a little on his own right now. He makes weird mouth movements and uses his paw a lot as if trying to clean his mouth.
The vet said not to worry about the mouth as long as he is eating. He also said that he has worms in his stomach and that is why his coat looks rough and dull. He has prescribed Mutrolin-B three drops twice a day for three days and then after a gap of two days he told me to give Albendazole.
3. Is the vet correct with Sandy's diagnosis?
4. Can I give Sandy the medications and the dosage prescribed?

I would be highly grateful to any kind of help and suggestions.

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Lynx
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Post   » Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:15 am


I was unable to find out what the active ingredients are in Pendistin. Are they listed on the tube? Could you post them here?

Mites and fungus are both quite common. And your guinea pig could have both.

www.guinealynx.info/mites.html
www.guinealynx.info/fungus.html

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Kimera

Post   » Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:49 am


Pendistrin SH Cream is an ointment used in treatment of mastitis. Its ingredients are dangerous for guinea pigs if swallowed, beacuse one of them is penicillin!

Composition
Each tube contains :
Procaine Penicillin G : 1,00,000 units
Streptomycin sulphate I.P.: 100 mg
Sulphamerazine B.P.(Vet) : 500 mg
Hydrocortisone : 20 mg

Fungal infections in guinea pigs can be treated with the same creams people use, for example Clotrimazolum. Washing guinea pigs accessories in water with vinegar also helps. Acidic environment inhibits fungus growth. Don't forget to wash your own hands, because humans can get fungal infections from animals.
Ivermectin is actually dangerous only for certain types of dogs, but can be safely used for cattle and horses. While it is not listed as a medication recommended for guinea pigs, in proper doses it is safe.

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Lynx
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Post   » Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:19 am


Streptomycin is also in the penicillin family and dangerous. Thanks for tracking down this info, Kimera (I couldn't find it online).

Pooja Mehta

Post   » Thu Mar 13, 2014 4:12 pm


Thank you Lynx and Kimera.

Yes, Kimera is right. Pendistrin-SH contains all the ingredients mentioned by her. Thank you once again.
Even this vet is hopeless then. When will I ever find a good exotic specialist in India :(


The other medicines prescribed and its composition are below:

Nutrolin B syrup-
Each 5 ml (after reconstitution) contains
Lactic acid bacillus : 40 × 10 Spores
Pyridoxine Hydrochloride IP : 1.5 mg
Nicotinamide IP : 20 mg

Albendazole Oral suspension USP-
Each ml contains
Albendazole IP (Micronised) : 25 mg

Are the above medicines safe for my piggies?


Not paying heed to the vet's advice, I have purchased Ivermectin Oral Solution 0.08% W/V.
Composition:
Each ml contains
Ivermectin IP : 0.8 mg
Benzyl Alcohol IP (as preservative) : 0.02 ml

Can I use this solution topically?
How much should I give?
Should the cleaning and the disinfecting start before or after the first dosage?

I am giving Ivermectin to my piggies first time, so I am a little scared. Request you to please help.

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Kimera

Post   » Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:11 pm


Nutrolin is OK, it is a probiotic and vitamins B, used with antibiotic therapy.
Albendazole and Ivermectin are both antiparasitics, so they shouldn't be used at the same time. They are both used for treating specific problems of guinea pigs, and are considered safe - as long as they are used in proper doses and for correct health problems. Usually a competent veterinarian makes the diagnosis and administers the correct doses of medications. I have never needed to do it myself, so I can't help you there. maybe someone else can tell you more.

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Lynx
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Post   » Thu Mar 13, 2014 6:20 pm



Pooja Mehta

Post   » Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:46 am


I weighed the piggies and also changed the oral ivermectin with the injectable ivermectin since it is better. Its a 10ml bottle and its composition is:
Each ml contains
Ivermectin IP : 10mg
Benzyl Alcohol IP (as preservative) : 15mg
Propylene glycol IP : q.s.

Cupid's weight- 975 grams (0.975 kg)
Sandy's weight- 950 grams (0.95 kg)
Prince's weight- 850 grams (0.85 kg)

Request you to please help with the dosage of ivermectin to my piggies since this would be the first time that I will be using it and I dont want to overdose them.

I plan to give them the first dose tonite and wash their bedding in hot water with bleach and detergent from tomorrow. Also sanitise the cage with vinegar and water.
Is there anything more I have to do for mites treatment?

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Lynx
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Post   » Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:46 pm


Will you do topical?

See gl/topical_ivermectin.html

There is a chart. You'll be pretty close if you figure 1 kg and 0.9 kg.

Pooja Mehta

Post   » Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:41 pm


Yes, I will be treating them topically. Will I have to dilute ivermectin then?

Lynx, as per the chart Cupid and Sandy will be dosed somewhere between 0.045 and 0.05, say 0.046 cc approximately and Prince will be dozed between 0.04 and 0.045, say 0.041 cc approximately (correct me if I am wrong as I am very bad at maths).

I am also confused with the concentration of ivermectin in the composition I mentioned and how to work around that. I had seen a chart somewhere here which calculates the dosage taking into account the concentration of ivermectin and the weight of the guinea pig automatically and manually but I cant find it now.

How do I take this dosage on a 1 cc syringe?

Oh God!! I am more confused now. Help please :(

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Kimera

Post   » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:35 pm


You are looking for the dose calculator, I think. It is there: http://www.guinealynx.info/dose_calculator.html

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Lynx
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Post   » Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:32 pm


The key is the title of the page I sent you to is:

Guinea Lynx' TOPICAL IVERMECTIN TREATMENT FOR GUINEA PIGS @ 0.5mg/kg
USING IVOMEC INJECTION 1.0% SOLUTION

You got Ivermectin IP : 10mg.
That is the 1% solution.

So you can use the guidelines on that page.

I would not concern yourself too closely on getting it correct to such a small decimal point. You will find when it comes time to measure, you can't do it that accurately. Just do the best you can using a 1cc syringe.

Pooja Mehta

Post   » Sun Mar 16, 2014 9:31 am


Thank you Kimera, this was exactly what I was looking for :)

Lynx, thank you so much. I am so relieved now that you have told me not to stress myself a lot and to try my best in giving as close to the accurate dose :)

As per my calculations, Cupid should receive 0.049 cc ivermectin (0.5 mg/kg × 0.975 kg = 0.4875 mg Ivermectin. Then 0.4875 mg ÷ 10 mg/cc = 0.049 cc)
Sandy - 0.048 cc ivermectin
Prince - 0.042 cc ivermectin

1. Can someone please double check my calculations for ivermectin dose?
I really require your reassurance that I am going in the right direction.


I read that when mites die, they tend to give a hard time to the piggies and make them itch more.
2. Can I bandage them for the first week with gauze inside so that they dont scratch and make open sores and hurt themselves? I am talking something like dis:
http://www.guinealynx.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=54819

3. If the boys seem to be in pain, can I give them a painkiller Rimadyl instead of Diazepam as mentioned on the mites link? I already have Riamdyl at home.

4. What ointment should I apply to their open sores? Can I apply Neosporin?

Thanking in advance for your help.

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Lynx
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Post   » Sun Mar 16, 2014 10:36 am


I think you are overthinking this.

0.05 cc and 0.04 cc will work fine.

Pooja Mehta

Post   » Sun Mar 16, 2014 11:35 am


Lynx, thank you, thank you so much. I am totally relaxed now :)

Request you all to please address my other doubts also.

Thank you.

Pooja Mehta

Post   » Mon Dec 01, 2014 11:59 am


My boar Sandy has been making weird mouth movements since afternoon as if trying to remove something stuck in his mouth, along with some chattering of teeth which sounds different than the normal chattering and drooling a little. He completely stopped eating in the evening but is eating a little now. I am doubting it has something to do with his molars. I have been reading about malocclusion and will take notes for my vet. I have an appointment in the morning. I have never had a piggy with dental problems before and so it will be a first time for Sandy and me both.

I wanted to be prepared with everything before the situation arises because it is difficult to immediately get guinea pigs supplies in India.
My concerns/doubts-
1. The vet has asked not to feed anything to Sandy three hours before the appointment incase she might have to file the molars. Is it necessary? (This vet again is not an exotic vet but found her better than others)
I thought guinea pigs could be fed 24 hours and doesn't need to be starved before the surgery?

2. How long will it take for Sandy to come out of anesthesia?

3. I plan to buy Baytril and the only enrofloxacin available in the medical store is Enrocin. Is this Baytril?

4. Can I mix critical care with Electral. Pedialyte is not available here.
http://www.buydrug.in/product_detail.php?product=1114

5. My piggies have always been pellet free since we don't get good quality pellets here. We get treats in the name of pellets. But if required, I dont mind buying pellets for Sandy and feeding him. Would Vitapol be a good option or Deli Nature?
http://www.amazon.in/Vitapol-Economic-Food-Guinea-Pigs/dp/B00L8X3C2Q
http://www.amazon.in/gp/aw/d/B00OYU5OD0/ref=pd_aw_sims_2?pi=SL500_SS115&simLd=1

Any advice/suggestions would be helpful and highly appreciated.

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Kimera

Post   » Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:50 pm


Guinea pigs do not have to be starved before surgery, it is enough not to feed them directly before the procedure. Three hours could be a little too long, but I don't think it would harm your piggie.
Enrocin is enrofloxacin, "Baytril" is just one of the names of the drug.
Vitapol doesn't manufacture plain pellets for guinea pigs, all you can buy is a mix. If you decide on Vitapol, better buy Vitapol Premium, which contains pellets and dried vegetables. It is still not the ideal food, and if you can avoid feeding mixes, you should continue doing so.
http://www.karusek.com.pl/produkt.php?prod_id=21749
You don't have to mix Critical Care with anything else than water.
The time your piggie needs to come out of anesthesia may vary, depending on his individual reaction to the drug and his general condition. However, at the moment you get your piggie from the vet, he should be fully awake, warm and in good condition.

Pooja Mehta

Post   » Mon Dec 01, 2014 1:46 pm


Thank you Kimera for your prompt reply.

Sandy is eating less and slowly and that's why I was concerned that three hours fasting shouldn't be a lot for him.

Electral is a oral dehydration solution and I was planning to mix it with critical care to make it a little tasty as I have heard that not all piggies will eat plain CC. Can I use Electral then?

Talishan
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Post   » Tue Dec 02, 2014 1:41 am


Yes. Mix it with water first, then add that to the Critical Care (i.e., don't put the powder directly into the CC). If he's reluctant to drink plain water after dental, you can offer him Electral by syringe. If he likes it it will help keep him hydrated until he's back to drinking water normally.

A 3-hour fast won't harm your pig. There is the risk of aspiration if they are not fasted at all. This risk is extremely low, and the benefits of not fasting far outweigh that risk, but 3 hours should permit the mouth and throat to clear without starving him or slowing his gut.

Ditto Kimera 100% otherwise.

Be SURE they send you home with pain medication for him!! Dental work can make them uncomfortable post-procedure. Their teeth don't actually hurt, but their mouths are very, VERY small and it's almost impossible to trim molars without getting a tiny nick or two on the gum or cheek pad.

Pooja Mehta

Post   » Tue Dec 02, 2014 6:35 am


Thank you Talishan.

Update from the vet vist.
Vet checked Sandy's mouth and showed me also directly through the narrow apparatus that his pre-molars have become long and pointy and his incisors are also overgrown. Told us to get an x-ray done of the skull, right and left (lateral) and abdomen (lateral) so as to be sure on Sandy's condition and he will mostly go in for a filling tomorrow. I will send the x-ray pictures to Lynx as I still dont know to add pictures. Lynx, would it be fine?

She gave him an injection of RL- 10ml s/c and Meloxicam- 0.02 mg/kg s/c.

She has asked me not to feed him four hours before the procedure because today even after fasting for two hours,he had food stuck in his mouth. I was worried about three hours and now she tells me to starve him for four hours :( :(
She said she will give him an injection of anaesthesia and use isoflurane if necessary and also give him fluids later. I got tensed immediately on this thought.

She has also asked me to give:
Metrogyl syrup-0.4 ml twice a day for 7 days and;
Limcee tablet- 1/4 th tablet in 0.5 ml water for 10 days.
Sandy finished his first dose of antibiotics and probiotics. I hardly got any antibiotics into him because he spits all of it. I tried almost every technique of hand feeding- towel wrapping, laying against chest, etc. Has anyone tried something else that worked?

Sandy ate few pieces of carrots and coriander since morning and I think I will start with critical care right now only rather than waiting for surgery tomorrow.

Guys, I just need your assuring words that the vet is doing everything correctly and that Sandy is in safe hands. I am very worried.

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