Alice- female discharge

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Crazy4me

Post   » Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:47 pm


I too am hoping she continues to improve. I will keep my fingers crossed for you both!

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linshad02
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Post   » Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:45 am


Just a quick update.
Alice has done very well on the Simethicone for her gas.
She is still not pooping as very well.
Appetite is great, eyes are clear, attitude is feisty as ever. She's just not pooping more than a few soft ones. I do know she is eating her caecal (spelling is bad today) poop. She may very well be eating what poop she has coming out.
She is at the vet for the day. They are probably going to get her on Cisapride.
I'll update as I hear anything.

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linshad02
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Post   » Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:12 pm


Another update.
Alice had Cisapride, Probiacin, Reglan and Simethicone at noon today.
They are doing massage therapy and hand feeding every hour.
She still has not dropped any visible beans. That's not to say that she isn't eating them all. She's pretty hungry.

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Lynx
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Post   » Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:36 pm


I hope you start seeing those beans!

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linshad02
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Post   » Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:28 pm


We have very soft poop. A pile of softly formed beans. She's bordering on diarrhea right now. It's mostly cecal that she's not getting all of.
She's still eating. Slowly but surely, we are getting there.
I cried when I set her in her cage and she immediately pooped.
I know we aren't out of the woods yet but progress has been made.
Off to read about diarrhea now.

Talishan
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Post   » Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:44 am


Keep her well hydrated. (You already know that. :-p)

Much of the soft stuff may "simply" be backed up, overfermented fecal material ("ileus") that has been in her and needs to come out. IMHO only what you're seeing now is better than nothing coming out at all.

Does the diarrhea-ish material have a bad smell? If it does, and is greener than normal droppings, that's the backed-up, overfermented stuff coming out.

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linshad02
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Post   » Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:21 am


That's exactly what it was. We are still not seeing regular output but I'm working her gut the best I can. Got the probiotic, reglan, cisapride, and water going. About to syringe some unflavored pedialyte.


Edit: I am syringing water every half hour and I've noticed that she is eating all of that stuff coming out. Almost like a cecal binge eating session. I assume that's normal. She's eating veggies, hay and some pellets as well.

Talishan
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Post   » Sat Jun 07, 2014 11:30 am


"Almost like a cecal binge eating session. I assume that's normal."

Blech. But normal.

Careful with the Cisapride. We've had some trouble with that. It works beautifully but can be harsh. Give her the lowest amount that does the job.

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linshad02
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Post   » Sat Jun 07, 2014 4:02 pm


We have had quite the week of up and down. I think we were about as close to critical and dire as I ever want to be again.
She is still not out of the woods or totally normal yet but we are getting there. She wheeked for the first time in a week, last night. Her poop has gone from unformed mush to small perfect shaped beans. We still need to encourage more output but she is fighting alongside me to keep on going.

Everyone here that has given me tips, tricks, advice and support both on and off board, thank you so much. There are no words to express my gratitude.
My vet, Dr. Laura Lathan, has been truly amazing and a godsend as well. I am grateful to have such a great, caring person to go to for help.

Monday, we found that she has a gap on the bottom jaw, left side, between her 2nd and 3rd molars. The food gets packed in the hole and causes pain. She stopped eating very well and then came the bloat.
She is prone to it so we had to be aggressive.
Through the course of the week, we struggled to get the gut moving. She would go 12 hours with no visible sign of poop.

Treatment has been Reglan, Cisapride, and Simethicone every 8 hours. She is also on Probiocin probiotic once a day.
During the time that I am awake, she gets tummy massage and a sit on the massager every hour. I set an alarm and get up every 2 hours or so to syringe water and now unflavored pedialyte.
She is eating on her own so I've slowed critical care to 1 tbsp a day.

For the rest of her life, I will have to flush her mouth at least once to twice a day to clean out the gap and prevent food from packing in again.
She will hopefully have a good 3-5 years left with us.

The next thing we will monitor is her Thyroid. As of now, the nodule is very small and very mobile. Her thirst seems to have slowed immensely, which is a good sign.

Talishan
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Post   » Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:41 am


How are you flushing the gap?

If you want some curved-tip syringes, I have two boxes of them. Email me through the mailer if you want some.

They'd probably do a good job, but they do have a sharp point. You'd need to be careful not to injure her buccal pad with them. That said, the sharp point might be clip-offable. Let me know (or ask Dr. Laura what she thinks).

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linshad02
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Post   » Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:53 pm


She gave me one of those and one without the curve. She showed me how to get in there with the curved one, which I prefer because of the stream. I get a ton of gunk out at each flush.
I go in right behind her incisors and tilt it downward a little and then let the stream go. She's really good about just keeping her mouth open and letting me in there.

Talishan
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Post   » Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:51 pm


At this point you'd qualify to be a licensed human dentist IMO. ;-)

Please keep us posted on how she's doing. My offer stands for more syringes if you need them. If she starts to chomp down on them and chew them, you'll need more than one.

The flushing might actually feel good to her, come to think of it.

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linshad02
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Post   » Thu Jun 12, 2014 8:43 pm


Thanks for the offer. I may just take you up on that. We are still dealing with issues off and on. It's mostly me just not feeling like she is "normal" yet. She has her moments but she's also a bit grumpier.
My daughter is out of school for the summer so she will be giving critical care a few times a day.

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linshad02
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Post   » Fri Jun 13, 2014 7:53 am


For records sake, Alice is giving me bloats again. Refusing veggies. Eating hay and pellets. Belly is getting hard.
Gave her meds this morning. Looks like another long weekend.
Come on, Alice. You were doing so well.

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Lynx
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Post   » Fri Jun 13, 2014 10:59 am


:-(

I hope it eases up.

Talishan
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Post   » Fri Jun 13, 2014 11:25 am


Well, you know how to treat it and you have the meds on hand. I guess that .... "helps"?

Once they've experienced severe bloating, they're prone to it in future. (Like you needed to hear that.)

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linshad02
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Post   » Fri Jun 13, 2014 8:26 pm


She been prone since her first episode when she was about a year. She's 3-1/2 now. They get a very delicate balance of food. No romaine. Ever. That started her adventure in bloat.
I brought home a baby spring mix today because the girls refused all of their usual veggies. Alice grubbed like she hasn't eaten for two weeks and is now in a soft bellied, poop filled food coma.

Talishan
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Post   » Sat Jun 14, 2014 2:17 pm


The problem with greens in the summer in the Southeast is that regardless of how well they're transported, what you get in the stores sometimes just isn't in the best condition, and decays more quickly than usual once you get it home. It's thoroughly annoying, but may have something to do with why the girls refused their greens.

Without reading back, do you have a vibrating neck/back pillow/pad thingy?

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linshad02
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Post   » Sat Jun 14, 2014 2:21 pm


I sure do and my vet taught me a couple of massage tricks too. Mopha? I don't know how to spell it but you put gentle pressure under the chin and bring your finger straight down toward their butt.
Pig has to be on their back for it to be done properly. Maybe I will take photos next time I need to do it. It is very effective for mild gas and bloat. That, coupled with light massage, a vibrating pillow and meds have all helped greatly.
She's been on such a roller coaster and I'm hoping she eases up and does well for a while.
I'm going to give her a warm bath today. That always helps her poop well too.

Talishan
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Post   » Sat Jun 14, 2014 2:35 pm


Sounds like a plan. Keep us posted.

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