I don't think he's in agony, just uncomfortable. He's very quiet, doesn't run around much at all, and is quite "fluffed up" at times. But I just can't be certain, knowing how they hide things.
That said, I agree absolutely with you, that I would much rather he had a little extra pain relief, and was comfortable, than to spend his last few days or weeks in pain. I've ben giving 0.6ml Metacam (0.5mg/ml). Would you give more? I've also got a very limited supply of Rimadyl, and some prednisolone.
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Yes. 0.6 mL of a 0.5 mg/mL suspension = 0.3 mg of active ingredient. That is very, very little.
I have gone up to 0.3 mL of a 1.5 mg/mL suspension *twice* a day (not for very long) on occasion; that is, 0.45 mg of active ingredient twice a day = 0.9 mg daily. This was for a pig of a little over a kilo. I didn't do this for more than 2 to 2 1/2 days at a time. Kansas State University has gone up to over 1 mL of the 1.5 mg/mL suspension long-term with no apparent ill effect. Others will vehemently say that is way too much.
The above is simply my experience. It helped the pig greatly to no *apparent* ill effect. I say apparent because while the pig showed no sign of a negative effect, we never took blood on him either.
You can SUBSTITUTE Rimadyl for Metacam; do NOT give them concurrently. If it were me I'd hang on to the pred for later use if necessary. Do NOT give pred concurrently with EITHER NSAID.
Talishan, thanks as ever, for your helpful advice. (I hadn't noticed the spelling mistake previously, despite reading through twice before submitting!) He is due another dose of metacam tonight, but I think I'll give him another 0.6ml now, to try and ensure he's comfortable. I'm seeing the vet tonight, so hopefully she may have some other weapons inher armoury. Will also check the doses in the medicines pages here.
Thanks again. It's nice to know people out there are keeping an eye on what's happening with the old boy!
We agreed there is not much more that can be done, other than lots of TLC, extra fluids and CC. She actually said it's a case of quality versus quantity.
We discussed pain relief, and she agreed we should swap from meloxicam (Metacam) to carprofen (Rimadyl). Apparently, research has shown that after a period on one NSAID the body's response may not be as good as it was initially, so it can be helpful to use an alternative. I gave him his first dose last night, and I have to say that he does seem a bit brighter this morning, and is currently munching on some hay. Here's hoping it keeps him comfortable for a bit longer.
Which brings me to my next question. MaggieMae is almost constantly jumping on his back. What's going on? Is it a dominance thing? Or is she doing it for reassurance? Other times she will be very sweet and submissive, lying by his side, or licking his eyes. He's getting fed up with it and rumbles and snaps at her. Do I need to be concerned?
I came home from work, having been out only about 8 hours, to find him flat on the floor of the cage. I tried to make him move and he just stayed where he was. I picked him up, and he was completely floppy, and just hung from my hands. His breathing was very shallow.
I've had him on my knee and managed to get about 4mls CC and the same of water down him. He seems to have great difficulty lifting his head, and moving around. His legs seem very unco-ordinated. I wondered if he was dehydrated. He has perked up a wee bit since then, and has eaten some hay, but he has barely moved from where I put him down.
He doesn't appear to be in pain and isn't all fluffed up, as he has been recently. I haven't given him his carprofen tonight. I just don't know what's going on. It's almost like he's had a stroke. Am I missing anything? Is there any more I could/should be doing?
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If it is time, it is time. If it's not, he will respond to meds, food and water. Can he chew/is he chewing when you force the issue?
We are with him and with you.
Noddy is still holding his own, he is eating, not drinking much, but then he never did drink a lot - I think he gets a lot of his fluid from the veg that I give them. He will take a limited amount from a syringe, though. I am giving him CC, but again, he lets me know in no uncertain terms when he's had enough, and at this stage, I don't think it's worth distressing him and forcing down a couple more mls, just for the sake of it. It won't alter the inevitable outcome. I'm weighing twice wekly, and his weight is dwindling down, but not terribly quickly.
When I put him and Magggie on the floor this evening, he seemed to have great difficulty moving, and his right front foot seemed to have a mind of its' own. I noticed last night whilst he was on my knee that he appeared to be holding that foot in a strange position and have less control over it. I wondered on Sunday night if he'd had a stroke, and I'm now becoming increasingly concerned that he may have done.
What do you folks think?
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I don't think it's as debilitating to them as it is to us (at least I hope not). One of the pigs would slowly recover over a day or two and be fine until the next one.
Keep him in a quiet place, no bright lights and frenetic activity if possible. He may recover slowly over the course of the next few days.
Does he seem in pain?
You ask if he is in pain. The answer is, I simply don't know. He's now on 5mg rimadyl daily, but I can't convince myself one way or the other. Some of the time he's all fluffed up and looks miserable, other times, he doesn't look too bad. He does have pain at times, because on occasions, when I've picked him up, he's cried. Which breaks my heart.
I'm still really concerned about Noddy's right leg which doesn't seem to be improving. I took him to my usual vet, but unfortunately, neither of the senior vets, who we usually see, was available. These vets have digital X-ray machines, whereas the more cavy savvy vets locally don't, so it was a bit of toss up where to go.
In the end the vet decided the problem appears to be coming from his elbow, and he certainly cried, a lot, when she examined him. He moved around a little, but he's not holding his head up properly, so moving is difficult. She didn't know what was the cause of the problem, didn't feel an X-ray was warranted, because it wouldn't change his management, and didn't want to give him any other pain relief.
She also said she feels it's getting near the time to have him pts. It's the hardest decision, and I just don't know what to do. Part of me thinks it nearly time, another part feels he hasn't quite got to that stage, and another just wants Mother Nature to do her stuff.
I've been nursing him on my knee and he settles down for a little while, and then starts sort of twitching. Some of it is a bit like when he rumbles, but others make me wonder if he's geting some kind of spasm. At the moment he's back in his cage with MaggieMae, and he appears quite settled and comfortable. He's made himself a nest in the bedding, and looks quite cosy.
So, it feels like that vet visit was a real waste of time and money, and I really feel I've failed Noddy. It's just so sad to see him in such a state. With all the others I've known when the time was right, whereas with Noddy, I just don't know what is the right thing to do.
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I hate it when we have to make the decision, and I count myself very fortunate to have only done it once. You'll know when it's time, and I'm sure Noddy will let you know too.
Enjoy your time with him, and give him lots of lovings.
I'm sorry you're having such a tough time.