Crystal formation in the urine.

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Fred_and_co

Post   » Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:22 pm


Exactly Lynx - he doesn't squeak when he wee's anymore and he's on no pain Killer's or Antibiotics!

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Post   » Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:15 am


Excellent. :-)

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Fred_and_co

Post   » Sat Oct 15, 2011 2:00 pm


I am sorry - I shouldn't have had a night off, or so Patrick says.

Went out yesterday so only syringed Patrick 20mls of water, Patrick is now peeing blood :(. Surely one night of no water can't have this affect, he's in a lot of pain normally he runs around when out the cage instead he just lay down on me and went to sleep. Poor Baby, his poops where also smaller and he appears to have a swollen belly although not bloat, as he's pooping and eating normal sized poops now, as I type he's munching his way though a bowl of Critical Care. Perhaps he wants to put an emergency vet visit, on top of his mummies already sore head!

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Lynx
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Post   » Sat Oct 15, 2011 5:19 pm


Oh, I am sorry about the setback! I am sorry he is in pain. Sounds like it may be back to antibiotics and pain killers :-(

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Fred_and_co

Post   » Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:41 am


Hi Everyone,

Patrick has been crying again since Saturday - he had another injection and saw the vet - no blood just squeaking but to be honest I don't think it's working.

I am syringing fluids daily.

Now hopefully you guys can help - Patrick is on Metacam and Cosquin but what I have noticed is he is eating all his pellet's not just the one's he need. My thinking is he is lacking something in the gut. I have been giving probiotics (fibreflex). Is my thinking correct, anyone know why they do this?

Thanks.

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Lynx
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Post   » Thu Oct 20, 2011 9:33 am


I am sorry it seems his gut is out of wack. I know how hard you've tried to get him right!

No ideas but sympathy here!

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Post   » Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:31 am


We have had several go on what my husband and I call a "turd eating frenzy" if they are upset and/or nervous for some reason.

The gut flora being messed up can contribute to this (the final droppings have some of what they need and eat the cecotropes for, just not very much) but if you are giving probiotics there may be a psychological reason, as well as physiological, for his consuming *all* of them.

Is he on any AB's at all?

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Fred_and_co

Post   » Fri Oct 21, 2011 3:56 am


Hi Talishan,

After the initial bleeding on Saturday - I think there may have been a trace on Sunday but cleared up, we didn't start him on Abs as we know from previous experience that he bleeds when infection isn't present. I can't remember the last time he has had Abs now maybe more than a month ago.

His urine is dilute obviously from the water he's being forced to consume.

Patrick had a better night last night after his metacam - I didn't hear him squeak at all. I remember getting so upset before it's amazing how you adapt to a situation, it's frustrating at time's but it's really not terrible, there's much worse illnesses. Obviously I would like to cure him but if I can't we'll just have to manage the problem.

Do you think it's worth doing anymore test's to rule anything else out? His usual vet isn't working this week so haven't really spoke about his progress, other than his episode with the vet we saw on Monday. I'm hoping to get another scan done but then I don't know what else we can do except what we are doing.

Anybody got any idea's? .

Talishan
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Post   » Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:35 pm


I've no good ideas but sending best wishes.

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Fred_and_co

Post   » Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:46 pm


I'm considering neutering Patrick but wished to ask the GL members there opinion. Patrick is over 4 and I don't want to jump in without thinking it though first.

I have been speaking to a couple of piggy people and both pig's intact males had the same issues as Patrick - now both these pigs where neutered and stopped squeaking.

One of the pig's when having it's bladder flushed produced a lot of sperms rod's which is why they decided to neuter. Perhaps I'm just looking for a quick fix but the longer I battle this with Patrick the more I realize this is a common problem and maybe sperm rod's are causing problems of course I am only speculating.

Any thoughts?

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Lynx
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Post   » Sat Oct 22, 2011 10:40 pm


In case you decide to neuter him, read over the post op tips for neuters on this page:

gl/postop.html

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GP_mum
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Post   » Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:51 am


Sorry to hear that Patrick is still having problems and wanted to send my best wishes to him and you.

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Fred_and_co

Post   » Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:49 am


Thanks GP Mum - I suppose he could stay on Metacam forever more. Me and Patrick have spent today watching Xfactor and he consumed 32 mls of water during it.

I'm keeping up the flushing of the bladder but he's eating all his poop's and crying every time he urinates, his last injection is on Tuesday.

Will speak to the vet about what we can try next.

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Fred_and_co

Post   » Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:54 pm


Lynx - Thanks for the post neuter link. I'm going to discuss it with the vet. His urine has a strong smell, with a tinge of pink so will get some Antibiotics as he is crying more than normal perhaps another infection.

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Lynx
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Post   » Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:22 pm


If you are smelling a strong smell, an infection certainly is a likelihood.

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Fred_and_co

Post   » Sat Oct 29, 2011 9:36 am


Hi Lynx and anybody else reading this.

Patrick went back to the vet - he is still squeaking and we where unable to get a urine sample but as he had strong smelling urine and a pink tinge, we decided to give him a course of Septrin.

He has been on Septrin since Tuesday, there is no visible blood in the urine and it no longer has a strong odour.

For some strange reason today I decided to test his urine - with human urine sticks.

He has no visible blood but the test strips seem to think his blood is off the scale. I have tested him about 5 times now and every time showing the same results - nothing else is abnormal.

I have since tested Milo and Pebbles just in case my sticks where contaminated and both pigs have no blood present and everything normal.

Can anyone advise why no blood is visible but the stick says other wise. I will be phoning my vet on Monday to ask but Patrick is fine in himself everything as normal as can be considering he squeaks constantly but it is ongoing.

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Lynx
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Post   » Sat Oct 29, 2011 9:40 am


The odor you smelled is a byproduct of the bad bacteria in the urine. The antibiotic appears to be successfully killing the bacteria so he smells better. Some pigs are on Bactrim (Septrin) for a long time.

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Fred_and_co

Post   » Sat Oct 29, 2011 9:42 am


Thanks Lynx -

What do you think about the fact his blood is off the scale but it's not visible to the naked eye?

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Lynx
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Post   » Sat Oct 29, 2011 9:48 am


Sludge causing abrasions?

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Post   » Sun Oct 30, 2011 12:39 am


Ditto Lynx, and/or it's gonna take a bit longer for the Septrin to finish the job.

This is called "occult blood" and is actually pretty common (unfortunately).

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