I think one of the considerations is to have a suspension that has enough volume that it is easy to measure. If there is a very small amount of syrup, the dose would be tiny and not as accurate.
As I wrote in the post about it, cipro tastes incredibly awful. At 10cc, you have an incredible fight on your hands to get the pig to drink this crap. There is no benefit to torturing your pig.
With the extra syrup, it helps. They don't particularly like it, but it is tolerable. The aftertaste is pretty bad, so have a carrot or something on hand so they can eat that after to help wash the taste out of their mouth.
This is why I add a couple of CCs of the FlavorX sweetener. It helps so much, and helps make it taste okay. But you have syrup, so that's what you're dealing with.
Total mixture is 20cc. Administer it twice a day. Keep the mixture in the fridge, and shake well before drawing a dose.
I used FlavorX peanut butter flavour. In that individual dose, you may have to add another .5cc maple syrup. But that is a lot of sugar for a pig...
There must be a pharmacy in town who will take pity on you and sell you some cherry flavouring etc. Kids oral meds are flavoured by pharmacists every day...
Of course i don't feel like the meds are working at all with Turbo, i've seen minimal, if any, improvement and in fact, i feel like he's declined if anything. He is seeming more lethargic, eating less hay, although he's keeping up his weight just fine, and the congested-sounding and labored breathing made a reappearance and has not subsided, plus he's getting eye gunk, which he never even got before!!
I'm going to get the culture done and switch him back to Baytril in the meantime as i wait for the results. The vet said it takes three to four weeks for the cultures to come back, does that sound right??? My question is, does anyone have an opinion on how switching to the Cipro for the past seven and a half days will affect the culture? Should i switch Turbo back to the Baytril for an amount of time before getting the culture done, or just get the culture and hope the results come out right? I can't afford the culture once, let alone paying for it twice, i need to do what i have to to make sure the results that come back are accurate. I wouldn't mind switching him back to the Baytril for two, three, four weeks or whatever before getting the culture as long as i knew that the results would be accurate.
Last question, does anyone know if the Baytril is okay to compound like the Cipro? Because of course, the bigger dose tablets are cheaper than the 22.7, so i'd like to see if i can just mix them like the Cipro and spend less money. My credit card is killing me!
I have a call in to the vet but if he doesn't call me back today, i'm going to start Turbo back on the Baytril i have left over from a few weeks ago, he has four doses left and i'd like to get him back to feeling better ASAP!
Since the Baytril/Doxy just didn't ever cure it, although it helped a lot, i decided to try the Cipro since it was so cheap, like only fifteen dollars for the meds and syrup, to try it, but that didn't work and before starting to try all the probably endless combos of meds, oral, nebulizing, etc, i'm just going to get the culture and know for sure which direction i need to go in. Plus Lana has brought up the fact that i could create a superbug playing with all the different meds and that's certainly not what i want, this is hard enough to beat without that on top!!
I've talked with the vet and he's brought up the fact that it could just be something that's never cured, and i'm okay with that, but feel that if i can cure it, that's better all around.
Thank you for your sympthy for my little Turbo, the good news is that he's been pretty okay, eating, drinking, pooping well, it's just the snot and sneezing that's never went away, so at least i'm not handfeeding and he's feeling crappy all the time!
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The crusty eye showed up when i took him off the Baytril/Doxy and tried the Cipro, so i'm sure it's just that, now that he's back on the Bay trip, i bet it disappears pronto! The same goes with the congestion and labored breathing, it's been a while since that was happening, but the Cipro just really didn't seem to be doing anything.
I have been interested in nebulizing him for quite some time, but as i said, have had a hard time getting specific doses, etc, and my vet doesn't know anything about nebulizing either. Before i spend the $50 on a nebulizer, etc, and start into the whole i could try this, this, this, this, etc, i'm going to get the cultures and see what they say.
I would have done the culture earlier, but the Baytril/Doxy seemed to make him better, and better, and better, and better, but he was just never cured, so i've finally given up on it. Let's all cross our fingers and pray that it comes back with the answers i need or i just don't know what to do after that!!
So i take it your boys are not cured, then, and it wasn't just allergies as you were hoping? It sounds like at least your boy isn't as sick as he was with the last round of meds!
I'm still very interested to see if anyone has any opinions regarding his being back on the Baytril/Doxy and waiting a period of time to get the culture done. My thinking is that switching back and forth between could affect what was being killed, what wasn't, and affecting the results of the test. I am overthinking it too much??
The only point of going back to it is that he's slipped back a lot with the Cipro over the last seven days, again with the labored breathing, lots of congestion, etc, and i want to get him back to where he was before, no breathing issues at all, no congestion, just simply sneezing and minimal snot, before the vet tries to get the culture because he fears he will need to do a little sedation to get a proper culture from the back of the throat and we want as little risk as possible with the sedation.
The vet and i agreed that we would like to see those culture results before we try anything else and before trying to go anymore off label with the Baytril and trying even higher doses or anything like that. Lana had suggested keeping the Baytril and dropping the Doxy, instead trying nebulizing some Gentamycin, and i think that's a good idea, but like i said, there are too many possible combos to go willy-nilly trying things, wasting time and money, without getting the culture. Poor Lana, she's probably thinking IT'S ABOUT TIME, i kept trying to tell her!! :)
I give them both probiotics twice a day after their meds, it's helped a ton, i feel, with the intolerance issues that we first had. Thanks for your help and input!