Charlie's Medical Thread

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Lynx
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Post   » Thu Jul 18, 2013 12:53 pm


Those are pretty unusual droppings. Glad they firmed up though. Let me know if you'd like it permanently added to your thread (and maybe added to the know your poop thread).

emilyam19

Post   » Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:06 pm


Feel free to add anything you think is helpful. I'm not sure if the shape is also related to his system slowing down a few days ago.

Can a guinea pig get bloat without eating greens? When my mom was watching Charlie she said (after I got home and wouldn't panic) that at one point he was almost despondent. She tried tapping his stomach and said it sounded a little hallow. She was trying massage his abdomen too.

I forgot to add one small detail. The vet said she believes that since his droppings are firming up even though he's getting greens, the issue isn't diet related. Instead this points to the bacterial imbalance being the cause.

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Post   » Thu Jul 18, 2013 5:11 pm


Yes, a pig can get bloat without eating greens. Bacterial imbalance sounds reasonable.

emilyam19

Post   » Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:33 am


I saw Charlie eat one of the girl's droppings this morning (and I think he might've done it last night but I'm not sure). I know some pigs might do that if they aren't feeling well. Should I call the vet about this? Do you think he might be at risk for some kind of deficiency?

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Post   » Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:43 am


I think the theory is they are looking for more nutrients if they steal poop (I think I've heard of some ill pigs following well pigs around, hoping for a special poop).

emilyam19

Post   » Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:46 am


It wasn't a fresh poop though I'm not sure how long it was there. He sniffed another one before that and then walked over to eat the other poop.

emilyam19

Post   » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:47 pm


Last night Charlie had a small bout of the messy soft droppings. It wasn't for very long but it did smear on my clothes. The weird thing is within 10 minutes from that he had a perfectly normal dropping. I have never seen one like that from him (the most normal poops from Charlie still have a Hershey's kiss tip to them) and wouldn't have believed it if he didn't do it in front of me on my lap.

This morning when I gave him his meds, I noticed he had some fecal matter smeared on his underside. I'm really confused about the huge difference in his droppings in such a short period of time. I emailed the vet photos.

Here are what most of his droppings looked like in the past few days.

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emilyam19

Post   » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:41 am


It looks like Charlie is backsliding. Tonight his droppings are becoming more like the gooey mounds he had earlier. When I picked him up this evening all his feet were covered in his soft droppings and it was smearing everywhere. I also saw some stuck like before when they were too soft to pass. Also I’ve been giving him probiotics the last few days. I’ll email the vet an update. It looks like we’re going to have to move onto an antibiotic.


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Post   » Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:25 pm


I am so sorry Charlie stools are getting softer. It must be frustrating trying everything with no results.

There are little white spots in the first photo. Do you know what they are?

bpatters
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Post   » Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:51 pm


Have you tried flagyl? I'd do that before I'd go to an antibiotic.

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Delaine
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Post   » Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:57 pm


I thought flagyl (Metronidazole) was an antibiotic but one that is effective against anaerobic bacteria and certain parasites.

bpatters
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Post   » Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:23 pm


I think there's some nit-picking over whether it's an antibiotic or not. It's not a general-use one, and is often classified as an anti-protozoal.

But it's worked well for my pigs when they've had smushy poops.

emilyam19

Post   » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:11 pm


Delaine, which photo are you referring to? Odd shaped #1? I didn't notice those until just now but it could also be something picked up from when I moved it to the paper to take a photo.

bpatters, he's currently taking flagyl (.33 twice a day). Tomorrow would mark two weeks for him. A few days ago his poop seemed to firm up but that was right after a period where he wasn't going at all. Now everything from him is the same gooey consistency.

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Delaine
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Post   » Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:39 am


It is dated July 23 and looks like it has been squished or stepped in. There are little white dots in the center of it. I thought they looked a little like tiny worms or eggs.

emilyam19

Post   » Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:47 am


You're right, I hadn't noticed those before. The same little specks are in another photo. I'm not sure if it's actually there or something weird with the camera. I'll wait for Charlie to go again and see if I can find anything in person -it shouldn't take long.

gizzy

Post   » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:05 pm


The Poo's in at the top photo look something like a pig I had with a Protozoan infection , in his case it was Giardia, and possibly the Metronidazole (flagyl) is not affective against this parasite, !!!!!

When it was finally realized that it was Giardia (none of the classic symptoms!!!!) That my pig was suffering from he was put on a 10% solution of Panacur 0.45ml once a day for five days, and at cleared it up.

The only downside is that it has a habit of reoccurring he starts to feel light and drop's 50 or so Grams and his Poo's get a tiny bit smaller, I give him one single dose of Panacur. And that put him back on track for six months or so,

I would get another broad spectrum poo analysis done but as it only happens periodically now and I am a self funded sanctuary 50 pigs , it wouldn't justify the cost

NB the Poo's in the bottom photo may well indicate a Giardia infection as sloppy Poos are the primary symptom apparently

emilyam19

Post   » Sat Aug 03, 2013 2:04 am


Update on Charlie:

I know this is long overdue. The Metronidazole (Flagyl) wasn’t doing much for Charlie’s droppings. After two weeks they were as bad as they had ever been. Since the culture showed an overgrowth of klebsiella and enterobacter (which I believe the vet described as resistant), the vet thought it was best to try an antibiotic. As of July 28, Charlie is now on Enrofloxacin (Baytril). He gets 0.4 ml twice a day for two weeks. I also try to get 1-2 capsules of acidophilus powder in him each day. I still haven’t seen much progress. However, Charlie’s weight, appetite, and energy level are still great.

What worries me is I’ve seen a few odd droppings from one or two of the girls. Up until now they’ve always had perfect droppings with the occasional odd one –nothing serious or very often. Now I’m starting to see a few teardrop and/or small droppings and I feel like it’s happening more and more. The majority is still normal and all (with the two exceptions below) of them are the right consistency. All the girls continue to have consistent weight, full appetites, and high energy levels. I’m going to schedule a check up when Charlie’s Baytril is complete. I think it’s time to start doing fecal tests on the girls too.

Here are the two soft droppings from two of the girls. They were nearly identical in size and consistency. I’m not sure what they indicate –they aren’t quite like Charlie’s droppings. Before and after this dropping both girls made several normal droppings. As a side note, Loren ate hers after taking the shot.

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These are the kinds of weird droppings I’m starting to see from the girls. I’m not sure if all three are making them.

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Lynx
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Post   » Sat Aug 03, 2013 9:25 am


Have you tried Equine Bio-Sponge?

emilyam19

Post   » Sat Aug 03, 2013 9:28 am


Funny, I was going to ask about that. I have it sitting on the counter. It came right before I started giving him meds and I wasn't sure about the combination. Can I give it while giving Baytril?

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Lynx
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Post   » Sat Aug 03, 2013 9:29 am


Sure.

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