Ginger's Medical Thread

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sosumi

Post   » Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:52 pm


We apologize for not posting in a while. This is still a full time second job for all of us! Ginger is coming along very well. We removed the divider in her pen on Sunday. She must have been a little depressed up to then because she started eating hay and drinking from the water bottle within minutes.

However, when I took her out to hand feed her, Ginger's toe nail fell off while washing her feet! She had been starting to get a little bumble foot on the opposite paw so we took care to clean her feet and put soother's ointment on. We called the vet and they recommended we put her back on Baytril so it doesn't get infected... BIG MISTAKE... maybe. She immediately stopped eating and became lethargic, as all of our pigs have done on abx. We left her on it for two days and today we decided to stop it and just keep a sharp eye on her feet thinking that being up eating and walking around was better for her feet than being sedentary and not eating on her own. Maybe it did keep any infection at bay.

So today she is back to where she was on Sunday plus a little better. She hasn’t eaten any pellets yet but she is no longer making the odd motions with her mouth. Eating hay, greens, some treats and her house. We are still hand feeding her and doing subQs.

Talishan,

We are using the 6cc oral syringes. We are concerned what chemicals could be released by melting the plastic to get a rounded edge. But it may have irritated her mouth.

The silica in the CC may be doing its job because we did take Ginger in to get her teeth looked at on Friday. The vet didn’t want to put her under and neither did we so he spent a lot of time looking her teeth over with the otoscope. He didn’t see anything obvious or any irritation. The problem seems to have subsided.

Does “AB” = “ABx?” If so, besides being on them immediately after the surgery, she wasn’t on any until Sunday evening and we stopped it again today due to anorexia.

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Lynx
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Post   » Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:35 pm


I would consider instead simple 1cc syringes with the restrictive tip cut off and smoothed with a file (a nail file would likely work fine).

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Delaine
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Post   » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:22 am


Thank you for the update. I have been checking the forum everyday to see how Ginger is doing. I am glad to hear she is eating but sad to hear about her sore feet.

Talishan
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Post   » Wed Jul 16, 2014 10:10 am


"We are concerned what chemicals could be released by melting the plastic to get a rounded edge."

Our gas stove has a vent hood over it. When I do this, yes, it smells awful and is releasing who knows what chemical into the air. I blast the vent fan, open the kitchen window wide (even if it's in the dead of winter) and keep all this going for a while after the smell has subsided. So far none of us has gotten sick from it.

Once the plastic rehardens (which happens very quickly), then you're fine.

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sosumi

Post   » Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:36 pm


Ginger continues to have problems with her feet, her front more than the back. I tried soaking, but because she has fluffy legs, her fur acted like a sponge and wicked up the liquid. Then I had to clean all the solution off her and we ended up having to get the blow dryer out! I then held a soaked piece of gauze on her feet, one at a time, then gently dabbing with fresh gauze soaked in clean water. She only lets me do about 3 min at a time per foot before she becomes quite agitated. I only been able to manage this once per day for the last 2 days. Last night, I did two sessions.

We also are using a cream prescribed by the vet several times a day, Healx Soother Plus. Her bumble foot is slooooowly starting to improve. We took pictures so we could compare and make sure she is improving. Earlier this week her left front foot hurt so much she didn’t like us to touch it. It is better now and she is ok with us touching it and there is slight improvement in swelling and the redness is receding.

However, the toe that lost the nail is still looking bad. It is swollen and red. She is ok with us touching it, soaking it a bit, and applying the cream but we are not sure if it is improving. We have an appt tonight at the vet to get it checked.

Earlier this week, we stopped the morning SubQ. She was in such distress when we would give it to her and she still screams every time we pick her up, thinking she will get a shot. Also, she started munching on greens herself; we think she would be ok with only one subQ per day and we are pushing extra fluids during feeding time. She is still being syringe feed several times a day as she is not eating any pellets or enough hay on her own. She munches on hay but not much.

Last night, she started freaking out when we got her out for the foot soak and her subQ. We had her on a towel on our bed and she just started frantically running in circles and jumping about. This was not popcorning and it was not happy laps, she was panicked and frightened! We calmed her down with some greens but when we would pet her, she started the freaking out again and ended up scattering the greens and forgetting about them. I picked her up and snuggled her to calm her. She started these episodes a couple of days ago right after her subQ. So we think she is frightened of getting the injection. We did not give her the subQ last night and instead, gave her more fluids during her feedings.

I have never heard of anything like this before. Maybe it was a panic attack? Not sure. She even did it while I was feeding her last night and again this morning. My husband researched the side effects of her meds and the tramadol may cause anxiety and hallucinations, so we are skipping that today to see if things improve. Not sure if the meloxicam along will make her feet comfortable.

Has anyone else had a pig have such a panic attack? It is not mites, she seems to be in a state of panic or terror.

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Post   » Fri Jul 18, 2014 3:47 pm


I am sorry she is having a hard time. My Nina was at first patient but later on, you could tell she did not like the soaks at all.

Talishan
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Post   » Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:05 am


"Has anyone else had a pig have such a panic attack? It is not mites, she seems to be in a state of panic or terror."

Yup. One female in particular, after repeated subcue injections.

If you can get enough fluids into her orally, drop the subcues. I doubt it's the Tramadol. In my opinion and experience it is exactly what you think it is -- terror and apprehension at being stuck with a needle again. After a few days, she should learn that being picked up no longer means being stuck with a needle, and calm down.

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Post   » Sat Jul 19, 2014 2:36 pm


Ah, I missed that it was the subcue, not the soaks.

For what it's worth, sometimes when needles are stuck in, they hit nerves and other painful areas. This might have happened recently.

GPIG

Post   » Tue Jul 22, 2014 2:16 am


Sounds like it is the injections. I had one named Morty have what could only be described as a panic attacks

Morty was rescued and while I had him in quarantine he was in a cage on my desk. I could not get him to calm down except by holding him and walking him around room. Every time I put him in the cage he would bolt to the far side of cage running full speed into the cage bars, I had to pad them. He would scream bloody murder like nothing I'd ever experienced. I watched him from a distance to see f I could see what might be bothering him, I couldn’t figure it out, nothing. Then while picking him up to calm him once as he was particularly agitated with my pencil still in hand he completely freaked, bit me and I thought he would actually die from fright. It was the pencil and right next to his cage was a cup full of sharpened pencils. I called my friend and she told me after the fact he had been removed from a home with young boys whose mother found the jerk kids poking him with pencils, all over and in especially in his sensitive areas. When he arrived at my friends house before me he had scabbed up wounds. I moved him and after a while he was ok but always super skittish. Until the end of his life if he ever saw a pencil or even thin sticks he freaked out.

Talishan
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Post   » Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:23 pm


Yeesh. Poor guy. "Jerk kids" is not, uhm, exactly what I would have called them but this is a family-friendly board.

Bless you and thank you for taking him and helping him.

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sosumi

Post   » Tue Jul 29, 2014 5:05 pm


Ginger is coming along. She was having panic attacks from the sub Qs so we stopped them and just made sure to give more oral fluids. She is now eating and drinking mostly on her own. We weight her every day and if she is down in weight, we will add some CC.

We are also starting to wean her off her meds. One at a time starting with tramadol.

She had bumble foot on all four feet. We are treating with chlorhexidine soaks twice a day and Silver Sulfadiazine two to three times a day. We wanted to stay away from oral abx because of anorexia. Her feet are clearing up very nicely.

Once her weight is stable, we need to start a pellet free diet. She had some blood in her urine last night. The next time she had a lot of sludge come out so hopefully it was the sludge causing the bleeding and not another stone! She is now on shi lin tong and polycitra k.

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Lynx
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Post   » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:50 pm


It sounds like it will be a challenge! Hope the soaks help. Is she on fleece?

Talishan
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Post   » Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:22 am


Sounds like a plan. Keep going. Keep us posted.

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