Isabelle - neurological problems

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Lynx
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Post   » Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:56 pm


If you have time to watch, maybe you can figure out how well this arrangement works. Hard to know! You might want to see how well she does in a narrow corridor.

Talishan
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Post   » Thu Dec 18, 2014 1:58 am


Ditto Lynx.

That could work just fine. I could also see where she might get wedged in one of the triangles and not be able to get up OR out.

It's devilishly difficult to try to figure out what position they'll get into and where in the cage. We've tried with those of ours who had mobility problems.

It may work just fine, or it may need some refinements. Any way you can rig up a pig cam?

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jacqueline

Post   » Thu Dec 18, 2014 4:02 am


I've actually removed the contraption. She was getting lost in the triangles. she actually seems to be doing okay now that I've moved her hay, pellets, ect closer to her warming pad and hidey.

Blossom still has plenty of room to run around and do zoomies and popcorn.

I'll continue to watch and ponder, and if anyone has any other ideas to share, feel free.

I wish there were some sort of soft contraption like the roxie roller that she could wear that might help keep her righted.

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jacqueline

Post   » Thu Dec 18, 2014 4:02 am


sorry, double post.

Talishan
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Post   » Sat Dec 20, 2014 10:45 am


The only danger I see with that (and I am NOT an orthopedic specialist!!) is that it might in fact help keep her upright -- but if she does fall, it'd make it harder for her to get back up.

If you could rig something soft, with rounded sides that would roll with her, maybe that would help?

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jacqueline

Post   » Sun Dec 21, 2014 7:22 am


It looks like Blossom is starting to come very closer to her when she topples. Maybe she'll come around to "helping"?

I just don't know what to do for her. Mostly, she seems to right herself okay, even though it's painful to watch. Any bump in the fleece will trip her up. I have tried to arrange everything so she can walk alongside an edge to get to it.

I was just wondering if there's anything I could rig to brace her and keep her upright. you know those wheelchairs where the base is wider that the seat?
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Would something like that be worth trying to rig up? Maybe a wheeled frame, with a hammock in the middle she'd rest in? I'd have to make sure her feet would touch the ground. It would, however, impede her ability to lay down, unless I made the hammock with just enough leeway so she could rest on her side if she wanted.

Or, just leave her be?

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Post   » Sun Dec 21, 2014 9:42 am


I'd forget the wheel chair bit. I think she'd get very tired in it, and not be able to change positions ever.

Not reading back, but is she on any kind of medication that might help this? Anti-seizure meds maybe? I don't even know if they exist for guinea pigs.

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jacqueline

Post   » Sun Dec 21, 2014 12:13 pm


She's not on any meds. There aren't any symptoms to manage. Her toppling over isn't related to seizures at all.

I also want to be careful about giving her any med that might alter her senses - she's already so wobbly.

Talishan
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Post   » Sun Dec 21, 2014 5:03 pm


Honestly, if she's able to right herself most of the time -- and it would really, really help if Blossom decided to learn to help :-) -- I'd just leave her be.

It's painful to us to watch her fall and try to right herself. If it's not painful to her, though -- if she just stumbles, rolls, and does what she has to do to get back up -- then what does it matter? (Except, of course, if she can't get up and you're out of the house for a while.)

If she's in pain, or if she gets visibly frustrated during a fall, that's another story. But if not, look at it from her point of view. "Oh, flop ... and I'll just get back up again, that's just the way it is."

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jacqueline

Post   » Sun Dec 21, 2014 6:02 pm


You're right Talishan. I have resisted interfering when she tumbles. I watch to be sure she gets up alright. Sometimes she struggles, and gets tired. She'll pause for a minute, then whip herself up.

She's a tough girl.

I do have to choose her cagemates carefully. She and Blossom are good together. At one point I had her living with 3 other girls, and they actually lay in wait and pushed her over, unprovocated. No, really - I saw it with my own eyes.

Talishan
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Post   » Sun Dec 21, 2014 6:22 pm


Pig tipping.

;-)

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jacqueline

Post   » Sun Dec 21, 2014 6:51 pm


Yeah, that's what I thought too. I giggled a little. But it is sad. . .

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Lynx
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Post   » Sun Dec 21, 2014 8:10 pm


Ah, training wheels! That's what you're thinking! An out-rigger of sorts.

I do think it is good exercise to try to right herself though.

Oh, I think that is sad too!

Bumpers on the side? Some kind of very safe , not across the throat but chest web to stabilize soft bumpers? The danger would be if she did somehow flip, she could never right herself on her own.

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jacqueline

Post   » Sun Dec 21, 2014 8:57 pm


Yes - training wheels!!!

I wonder if I put her in it for a couple of hours, during her more active times, if it would help her work on keep centered and stabilized

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jacqueline

Post   » Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:44 pm


The last few weeks Isabelle has been losing weight. She also has been needing to lean more against the walls to get around. She's grown weaker. She's been getting supplemental CC

Last night I saw her on her side and she wasn't moving to right herself. I thought she had died, but no. She was truly weak and in some pain. I gave her some metacam, wrapped her in some fleece and just held her.

She quietly stopped breathing after about an hour or so.

She was a very sweet girl. I'm glad she passed quietly and softly, without much drama.

I miss her.

*Sigh*

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lisam

Post   » Mon Mar 02, 2015 3:08 pm


I'm sorry.

Crazy4me

Post   » Mon Mar 02, 2015 3:57 pm


I'm sorry too.

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meganmarie

Post   » Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:59 pm


Awe, i'm sorry, Jacqueline. She looked and sounded like a sweet little soul.

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BamBam

Post   » Mon Mar 02, 2015 5:24 pm


Oh, sorry J.

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GP_mum
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Post   » Mon Mar 02, 2015 9:16 pm


So sorry for your loss of Isabelle.

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