Jan's Toothy Smile medical thread

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Talishan
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Post   » Wed May 29, 2019 3:36 pm


BE EXTREMELY CAREFUL USING EPSOM SALTS ON THE BACK FEET.

If she pulls her foot out of solution and scratches an itch on her head or face, and the solution gets into her eyes, it will SEVERELY damage her eye.

I prefer to use chlorhexidine gluconate (human Hibiclens, there is a veterinary version at half the concentration of the human solution), and follow up with silver sulfadiazene cream.

Epsom salts work and work well, but make ABSOLUTELY SURE she cannot scratch her face or head while using the solution, even a very dilute one.

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Sef
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Post   » Wed May 29, 2019 7:07 pm


The concentration Talishan mentions is 2% chlorhexidine gluconate vs. 4% in human-grade Hibiclens. I'm also a fan of silver sulfadiazene, and more recently have found Lantiseptic to be remarkably effective at clearing up skin irritation on the feet.

Looking at the image you sent, there is a fairly large pocket of gas. Has this guinea pig had any history of bloat?

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Did they take any other views? Hard to tell much about the heart, and it's not the best quality image.

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Lynx
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Post   » Wed May 29, 2019 9:50 pm


Thanks for helping out sef1268 and bpatters. I encourage you to post yourself, daisymay. If you write a post in an email to yourself, you can copy it to the posting box here to post (then you won't time out). All caps are so hard to read so just write normally. I am sure it took sef forever to edit the email I forwarded to her. (thanks sef!)

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daisymay
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Post   » Thu May 30, 2019 3:40 am


Thanks for helping out sef1268 and bpatters. I encourage you to post yourself, daisymay. If you write a post in an email to yourself, you can copy it to the posting box here to post (then you won't time out). All caps are so hard to read so just write normally. I am sure it took sef forever to edit the email I forwarded to her. (thanks sef!)

My lap top has bitten the dust and will only do capitals now and half the time I lose what I type. I guess I can go to the library and use their PC's. again thank-you sef for your help!!!!! I am currently at the library.

Paid $700.00 for X-rays but this is the only one the vet will give me. She says this is the main X-ray and the best of the two.

Jan who was Joy's sister had X-ray around November 2017 and her tummy was 10% tummy and 90% wind. Carol told me Jan would not see Christmas 2017. Jan lived for another 12 months. Jan was put on Zantac Syrup 0.2mls twice a day on advise from Dr Vella, a tenth of a Metomide tablet once a day, Protexin once a day, and Meloxicam when needed with loads of tummy massages with toothbrush.

In September 2018 Joy was just put on same medication, no x-rays nothing. Just cause she was Jan's sister was the only reason. NO history of bloat. BUT back in 2017 we noticed after eating by herself or syringe fed her tummy would become rock hard.
If she pulls her foot out of solution and scratches an itch on her head or face, and the solution gets into her eyes, it will SEVERELY damage her eye.
We syringe fed Joy on a cushion on a table. We soak her foot in the bottle cap whilst she is getting fed and are very careful her feet stay in the cap. Back feed have no idea what to soak them in so will just use cotton tip as back feet aren't too bad.

Since Tuesday, Joy has lost 29grams on Tuesday and 60 grams yesterday. So now she is back to her normal weight of 780-800grams. So far she is still eating after 4 doses of the Baytril, so we have our paws crossed this will continue.

Thanks for replies bpatters, Tailshan, and lynx(plus apologises) and Sef(big thanks for posting my post and picture too!!!!!!). Will keep you posted!

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Post   » Thu May 30, 2019 7:47 am


Daisymay, it may be that something is lodged under your caps link key. I remember once finding part of a staple under a key that was preventing it from working properly. Perhaps you can stop by a big chain store with electronics that services computers and see if they could at least use some compressed air to blow out your keyboard (they get dirty). One of the first things recommended is to shut everything off and turn the computer over to see if anything can be dislodged from the keyboard. I haven't lifted off a key for cleaning, but someone who knows what they are doing could do this for you. I once had to replace the keyboard part of a laptop because something was stuck badly (I get used ThinkPads which are user friendly as far as repairing parts - lots of videos online).

More about soaking feet on the antiseptic solutions page and the pododermatitis page (it has the warnings about using Epsom salts).
http://www.guinealynx.info/antiseptic_solutions.html
http://www.guinealynx.info/pododermatitis.html

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daisymay
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Post   » Sat Jun 08, 2019 1:14 pm


It was suggested to me to get CHLORHEXIDINE-GLUCONATE-SOLUTION-0-1 by Tailshan. I have asked her many times if this is good for the swelling of the front feet but do not get an answer.

One of Joy's front paws is swollen and hard and I am looking for something to take the swelling down. This is why I was soaking her paws in Epsom salt as ot states this helped reduce swelling.

Joy had been on Baytril now for near on 2 weeks with no change in breathing. The sores on her paws have nearly gone. It is the swollen paw and her breathing to deal with. Thanking you in advance. I bought some of the CHLORHEXIDINE-GLUCONATE-SOLUTION-0-1 but can't see how this will help in swelling?

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Sef
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Post   » Sat Jun 08, 2019 2:58 pm


Might help if we can see the foot. Have you posted a recent picture of it?

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Post   » Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:46 pm


When I googled it, every hit I got said it reduces swelling. But aside from that, I would take Talishan's advice any time, on any subject relating to guinea pigs.

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Sef
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Post   » Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:42 pm


I would take Talishan's advice any time, on any subject relating to guinea pigs.
Agree!

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daisymay
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Post   » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:47 am


Just an update, seems Joy had loose skin on swollen foot and this has got caught in the vet/dry bed and ripped skin off in two parts causing foot to bleed.

Have bathed foot in water and salt as this is all I have at the moment. When other foot was swollen it seemed to just be swollen with blood. Once foot bled it went back to normal though deformed in the toes.

I have ordered the solution Tailshan suggested. She said to soak Joy's feet in a saucer or plate, could be diluted a bit but as it is 0.1mls not much. Once a day and make sure foot is covered. Make sure 100% dry before going back into her pen. when it comes in the mail I will do so.

As to breathing after nearly 2 weeks on Baytril no change. Just thankful it hasn't gotten worse! Especially as we are in Winter. As usual vet not willing to try anything else.

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daisymay
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Post   » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:17 pm


Well I am officially looking for another vet! After I complained about Jan and how the head tilt, high temp, fast heart rate were not picked up(hard to miss the head tilt). Then I complained heart and paws were not in the X-ray I was told they would no longer treat any of my animals and to look else where!

Truth be known if I had the money I would take them to court over the deaths of Jan, Jemma, Jupiter and Jasmine. But then here guinea pigs don't matter here.

Seeing another vet today, have paws crossed better than the last. Joy is the same, BUT has lost 40 grams even though she is eating. So have put her on Meloxicam in case her paw is sore. Keep you posted!

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Lynx
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Post   » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:01 pm


I hope you are more satisfied with this vet.

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daisymay
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Post   » Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:51 am


I hope you are more satisfied with this vet.

No such luck. spent 5 minutes in there. wants to refer to another vet who would put Joy under and stick tube down her mouth to lungs and get some tissue.

Is it just me or does this sound drastic and invasive? She too had no idea why foot was swollen.
Thanks for reply lynx. Keep you posted.

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Sef
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Post   » Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:14 am


I'm sorry that you're having these issues; it must be very frustrating. Why does the new vet want to put a tube down her throat for a lung sample? Can you simply explain to the new vet that you aren't comfortable with this, and would rather try something less invasive first? Or, even better, could you set up a pre-appointment phone call with this new vet to discuss your concerns beforehand? Maybe that would help ease your mind about seeing him/her.

Have you tried the chlorhex solution on Joy's feet as Talishan mentioned? If so and it's not helping, could you possibly take a few pictures of Joy's feet and send them to the vet (and you could also post them here)? That might also lend itself to some discussion of treatment options before you get there--and also help you decide if the trip is worth it. If you don't have a camera, maybe a friend/family member could help you with that.

Otherwise, do you know of any other guinea pig owners at all in your area who could make an exotics vet recommendation to you? I know you are also trying to avoid a lengthy travel, but it may be your only other option.

Again, I'm sorry that you're dealing with all of these issues. Living in an area such as yours with very limited veterinary resources, it does make pet ownership much more challenging.

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Lynx
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Post   » Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:36 pm


The heart page does have specific information and some testing that can be done to determine if some sorts of heart issues exist. Do you know anyone else in your area that has had guinea pigs for a long time and their experience with their health?

Chlorhexidine can be extremely drying. I had to alternate it with (I think) diluted povidone iodine. Obviously, the cause should be investigated. I can say for my guinea pig Nina, it was just managing the foot and it never got permanently better. Nina died of other causes (not the swollen feet). I never knew what caused Nina's pododermatitis. I do not think heart meds are a cure-all for pododermatitis. Might be something else going on.

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Sef
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Post   » Sat Jun 15, 2019 4:18 pm


As a PS to my response earlier today...the exotics vet that you mentioned does look to be fairly experienced with rabbits and other small animals:
http://abevc.com.au/

Also:
http://findonvet.com.au/Home.aspx

https://www.adelaide.edu.au/vet/small-animals/wildlife-and-exotic-animals

https://www.parrotsociety.org.au/Avian-Veterinarians

Don't know if this is helpful, but just thought I'd post the few things that I found.

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daisymay
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Post   » Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:12 am


Thank you sef for looking up the vets. took Joy to the second vet on your list and sadly she didn't know what to do either. So what I am proposing is does anyone on GL have a vet who would be willing to work with vet to work out a cause of action with Joy?
Joy's x-rays and medical history can be sent to the vet. We did the same thing back in 2007 when Zoe was ill and it worked a treat. What the vet proposed was to go onto a vet forum with Joy's details and see if any one had any advise. This way if I can get a vet or two maybe this will help Joy?
Have no PC again but will come to library again Monday. So if anyone has a vet who would be open to helping Joy and Joy's vet either post on here or send me a private message.
Thanks lynx and sef for your replies!

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Sef
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Post   » Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:16 am


There is an online veterinary network called VIN. Can you or your vet post Joy's case there for suggestions? I haven't been on the site for a while, but I think there is a section for the general public and a section for subscribers who are veterinary professionals. Might be worth looking into?
https://veterinarypartner.vin.com/

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Sef
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Post   » Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:36 pm


As an update to my last post, I recently noticed that VIN has a phone number for Australia:
02-6145-2357
Your vet may be able to network with other veterinarians via their website, but he/she does need a membership first.

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daisymay
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Post   » Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:57 pm


SORRY FOR BEING A PAIN BUT IS THIS NEW VET OVER MEDICATING JOY?
FINDON VET HAS PUT JOY ON 2, ONE IS FLUSAPEX DROPS 100/10MG/ML. SHE GETS 0.8MLS TWICE A DAY, SHE STOPPED EATING SO WE STOPPED IT. THE OTHER NEEDS TO BE COMPOUNDED AND WILL BE READY END OF WEEK AND ONCE A DAY.
WE FEEL JOY IS ON TOO MANY MEDICATION SHE GETS THE FOLLOWING:
0.2MLS ZANTAC SYRUP TWICE A DAY.
METOMIDE ONCE A DAY.
MELOXICAM ONCE A DAY.
PROTEXIN ONCE A DAY.
BAYTRIL TWICE A DAY AND NOW THESE TWO FOR HER HEART.

I DON'T EVEN THINK IT IS HER HEART!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE ONLY SYMPTOM SHE HAS IS RAPID BREATHING. SHE WAS EATING BEFORE THIS NEW MEDICATION, MAINTAINING WEIGHT. DO YOU HAVE ANY ADVICE? THERE IS NO ONE IN SOUTH AUSTRALIA WHO ULTRASOUNDS GUINEA PIGS OR THEIR HEARTS. AND SADLY WE DO NOT HAVE ANOTHER $700.00 FOR X-RAYS.
WE WERE GIVING HER FLUSAPEX AT 8.00AM/PM AND ZANTAC AT 9.00AM/PM. IS THIS TOO CLOSE TOGETHER?

I HATE OVER MEDICATING GUINEA PIGS AND DON'T LIKE GIVING JOY ALL THIS STUFF! BY THE WAY BOTH FRONT FEET NO LONGER SWOLLEN, TAILSHAN'S ADVICE WORKED! THANKING ALL IN ADVANCE IF ANY. NIGHT ALL.

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