But of course she'd be sitting in a cage till whenever. If I keep her home I can at least be jigging or massaging her a bit on and off. Which would be better?
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But if your choices are keeping her home and leaving her, I'd keep her home but definitely get the simethicone. Also, if she's not eating, handfeed her small amounts frequently, like 3-5 cc. You want food in her stomach, but don't want to overload her.
"From Bug's Mom: (This info was what the Vet showed to help Bug with her Gas issues.)
"The massage is done between the rib cage and the hips with a firm but gentle squeeze. The further away from the backbone you are the less likely to damage any organs within the given parameters."
Sorry just now getting back to you all here, but here's the scoop so far:
I decided to just take Panda in to the vet, hoping they'd get to see her sooner that way. I got to the vet around 8-ish this morning and they put me right in an exam room and said an 8:30 appointment had canceled just as I came in! Yea! (I know it may sound silly to some that my girls and I prayed for Panda and for God to help her get into the vet quickly, but we do that sort of thing.)
The Dr examined Panda about 8:15 and told us she was "critical" and what they needed to do. I left her there with them, and I just got off the phone with the vet now (1:15 pm).
They took an X-ray and there is no hairball or anything like that in her stomach, though the stomach is twice the size it is supposed to be. The doc said "GI Stasis" is what they are calling it and they don't know why it happens sometimes. They gave her an injection of Reglan first thing and fluids under the skin. Then they've been feeding her Critical Care every couple of hours (I think that's the interval they said). She wouldn't take it at first (just keeping it in her cheeks), but then began to swallow it later. Now she's taking it OK. They also gave her an injection of a pain med and an antibiotic (sulfa tri- something or other).
Just before they called me at 1:15 they said they saw a couple of poops come out and though she wouldn't eat hay before, she just took her first piece of hay as they were on the phone with me (Panda loves hay so much that she usually camps out in the hay loft most of the time and burrows through it like the stereotypical rich guy wallows in piles of money in cartoons, so the fact that she is just now touching hay means she really was pretty bad before.) All our piggies love their hay, but Panda loves it more than the rest of them do!
Anyhow, they say they want to keep Panda till this evening so they can keep feeding her Critical Care and watching her. She is still huddling in the corner, which concerns them, but she is starting to perk up a bit whenever they take her out to feed her the Critical Care. I am to pick her up at 5:30 tonight because they don't have someone there overnight. They will give me a written list of all her meds then, and want us to keep feeding Critical Care. They said they will add Meloxodil as an oral med for us when they send her home to the other meds.
They said she is improving but is "not out of the woods yet."
I saw her X-rays and her stomach is more than twice the size it should be. No twisted intestines, though. Only putting out one poop here another there hours apart. She hasn't pooped since we brought her home at 5:30.
They gave us a baggie full of Critical Care powder and said to give her 5 ml. every couple of hours unless she is eating pellets on her own.
Question: Do we measure the 5 ml. of the straight powder and then add water, or do we mix water in a pasty slurry and then measure out 5 ml. of that?
Thanks for all the help
I still don't know how much critical care to give her. the vet instructions say 5 ml every two hours (though they said we don't have to do it all night). But I don't know how to measure that. Is that 5 ml of dry CC powder? Or 5 ml of water with as much dry powder as it takes to make a slurry?
We measured 5 ml. of powder then mixed it wit water, but that made about 50 ml of mix and she would not take even half that much so far.
I believe the directions here talk about teaspoons (and also by weight):
Some people have put their guinea pigs on top of a vibrating washing machine.
Continue to weigh a couple times a day. You have some simethicone? Not rereading, but is she on any motility drugs or pain medication?
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I don't know what simethicone is. The meds the vet gave us are as follows:
Reglan Syrup, 0.75 ml. twice a day (they had given her two Reglan injections while at the vet all day yesterday), but today is the first day she has had the syrup.
Sulfa/Trimethoprim Suspension, 0.8 ml twice a day for two weeks
Meloxidyl give 0.25 ml daily
Critical Care powder to give 25 ml. per day spread throughout the day
The vet I saw yesterday was not our regular guinea pig vet, though she does do guinea pigs. I'll call her Dr. R. Our regular vet Dr. O. was not there yesterday, but he called me today to see how Panda was doing. Dr. R. was not there today, but Dr. O. says he read her notes as to what all she (the other vet) did.
Dr. R. had said Panda was "critical" yesterday morning when I took her in. Dr. O. says from her notes and my description of her today he would classify her as "guarded," meaning she could still pass away, but has improved from yesterday.
Panda has had about 5 sticky, elongated poops since last night. I've been massaging her, and I got her to belch several spurts of gas out of her mouth last night around 1 am. Her belly is still distended but not quite as hard or tight as yesterday. She has eaten a piece of hay and 10 ml. of Critical Care today so far.
She is sitting on a fleece pad next to me now as I write this, with one of her piggy friends next to her. We've been bringing one or two pigs that she is friendliest with to sit with her off and on as moral support. We have to keep her separated for the most part, though, since we have to monitor how much she poops and eats on her own. Since our normal arrangement is 7 piggies in one huge cage, that wouldn't be possible with her mixed in with them.
When Dr. O called me I asked about proper reconstitution of the CC powder, and he told me it was one part powder to three parts water. Once it is reconstituted is when I am to measure out the 5 ml. to feed her at a sitting. So I do have an official answer to that question now.
I asked about trying to suck air out of her stomach and Dr. O says doing that with a syringe "is not without risk and is only as a last resort." Since her mouth is too small to put a tube down her throat, massaging and Reglan are the safest routes to helping her get the gas out.
I went to three different stores today looking for vibrator pads - and called several others -- and everyone is saying they don't have anything like that. To a store they say, "come back at Christmas, because that's the only time we carry them." Well, that helps so much (frowny face).
I ordered one off of Amazon but it won't get here till Monday evening.
Panda is a real trooper, but I already knew that from her saga with the broken femurs, etc. that you can see from the first 8 pages of this thread. She doesn't like being fed the CC nor does she particularly care for the massaging, but she seems to understand I am doing this stuff to help her. She is very cuddly and tries to burrow herself into my neck, and she purrs almost every time I pet her. She likes having piggy company too -- as long as they don't get in her face too much. Twilight got nipped when he tried to lick the CC off her chin (she dribbles some), LOL. Right now we have Snuggles snuggled up against her side and both piggies are next to me now.
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You might have more luck looking for vibrating sex toys rather than a vibrating pad.
Simethicone is also known as infant gas relief drops.
Not sure I could handle buying a vibrating sex toy. My embarrassment would cause me to drop and die right on the spot, LOL! We don't have electric toothbrushes, but I'll see what I can do. Right now, I'm massaging her a lot just with my hands.
She has eaten several strands of hay, but still won't touch the food pellets, so she still needs the CC. Several more wet, sticky poo pellets are around, maybe 10 or so that have come out during the course of the day today.
She peed for the first time (that I have noticed, anyway) since yesterday as well. I take that to mean her body thinks she has enough hydration to spare urine.
Her belly is still distended, but not as much as even this morning. Until she is eating and pooping normally again I won't regard her as OK, but she is definitely improving!
Well, I quipped to my husband, I suppose that will add a bit of fiber. . . .
And Dr. R. yesterday said that her lungs were completely clear (both from listening with stethoscope and seeing the X-ray).
When viewing the X-ray yesterday, I also took the opportunity to ask how her hip area looked, since it had been captured on the film. Looks like there's a good bit of scar tissue holding her right hip in the right place, with the left hip a bit askew. The end of the left femur is just a hair forward of where it should be, but there is enough scar tissue there too to help hold it in place. When she's well, you'd never know she had no hip sockets because she runs and even jumps like normal. The only strange part is when she sprawls lying down to completely relax - then she has a kind of weird position.