Fuzzbutt's Medical

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GrannyJu1
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Post   » Tue Aug 25, 2015 4:03 am


Thanks, again, Talishan. You do know we'd be pretty lost without you, right? ;o)

Her stinkies are the usual color, just extremely smelly. Usually on the soft side, I think.

Yup, bears. I grew up on a 160 acre homestead in Alaska, wayyyy in the middle of nowhere. We had black and brown bears around all the time. Lots of stories there.

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Lynx
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Post   » Tue Aug 25, 2015 8:42 am


I kind of wish I didn't have a little movie on my camera of a local bear pushing over my birdfeeder!

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GrannyJu1
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Post   » Tue Aug 25, 2015 9:23 pm


Back in Juneau, we had bears in our backyard every summer, & I'm talking about a 5 ft chain link fenced space in the middle of the densest residential area in the "city". One bear leaned on a cast iron shepard hook to reach a birdfeeder. That iron hook bent!! I had to make sure we brought THAT conversation piece with us when we moved south. 😀

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LS in AK
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Post   » Tue Aug 25, 2015 10:09 pm


Only thought I would add about misshapen piggy poops (that are not soft or runny) is to figure out - as you are doing with the food diary - and limit whatever is causing the problem, because that food may be a bloat trigger.

In other words, I've noticed that when piggy poops are teardrop shaped like that, and piggy is eating normally, it may signal some gassiness. A little on occasion is alright. Just be careful not to overdo it.

As for bears... I have some stories, too, but probably nothing like yours, GrannyJu.

The way I see it, this part of the planet is more their home than ours, and we are guests sharing the space. (Good thing there is still a lot of space!)

Talishan
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Post   » Wed Aug 26, 2015 3:21 pm


Ditto the advice you have received. We've had a few pigs that just permanently had the teardrop-shaped, softish droppings no matter what we did. I just finally quit worrying about it -- but ditto LS; any GI abnormality, even if small and even if permanent, is reason to be especially vigilant about any developing stasis or bloat.

Thank you for your kind words, but you would not be lost without me. Over the years GL usually has several med pros active at any one time, and we kinda cycle through. If you lost LS in AK, bpatters, PinkRufus, Hilary Holmes, BamBam, WICharlie, several others and me all at one time, though, it might be a problem.

We are never allowed to be on the same plane at the same time. ;-)

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Post   » Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:59 am


Thanks. I'll take that warning to heart and be vigilant. I gave her a small piece of green pepper the other night and we're all paying the price! Only been 3 days but I'm still going to have to change that fleece today.

LS, I have a sister who lives where you do. I spent a year in Delta Junction when I was 15. I won't be doing THAT again, hehehehe. Colder than a ... Though I know it's warmed up a bit over the years since. :o/

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LS in AK
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Post   » Fri Aug 28, 2015 4:40 am


I've had bad luck with pepper in my pigs, too. One did okay with green but not red, and the other was the opposite... Got to the point that I just eliminated peppers from their diet, to be safe.

(And, yes, my landlady tells me it used to get a lot colder up here, back in the 70's. And Delta gets all that wind on top of the cold. I wouldn't mind living out there, though. Have seen caribou crossing the highway, and there's lots of good hiking down toward the mountains :))

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Post   » Mon Aug 31, 2015 2:06 pm


I wanted to give the others bell pepper last night, so I pulled Fuzz out of the cage at dinner time and put her in the box with leaf lettuce, baby carrot, and parsley. Carrot & parsley disappeared lickety split, but she refused the lettuce. Totally out of character. I left her there for 10 minutes, but when she hadn't eaten anymore lettuce, I pulled her out and weighed her. 1311 grams = no lost weight, a few grams above last weigh-in. I decided to try to hand feed her the lettuce. After some serious encouragement, it worked; she ate everything but the centers of the lettuce leaf (crunchy part). When I realized she would NOT eat the "stems", I gave in and pulled out another half of a large leaf (soft part only!), wet it, and she ate every bite. Since she ate the carrot, I don't think it's her teeth. Am I dealing with an extremely picky pig suddenly? Could/would she eat all parts of the lettuce if she was with the others? Maybe I better pull the other 2 out tonight and feed them their pepper, one at a time, so Fuzz isn't left alone to eat her food. A little competition is supposed to be good, right?

If I eliminate pepper, what do I replace it with? I know kale and greens are good in moderation! What does "moderation mean? How much, how many times a week? I really hate buying a bundle/head and throwing most of it away (we won't eat that c*** either :o)). I've looked but can't seem to find a decent salad bar for smaller portions, anywhere.

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Post   » Mon Aug 31, 2015 3:20 pm


I think of moderation as either small amounts or infrequently given (or a combination of the two). Can you get any fresh clean grass?

Talishan
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Post   » Mon Aug 31, 2015 10:23 pm


Ditto Lynx.

Kale is enormously high in calcium and can be a gas producer, although it's loaded with nutrients and vitamin C. Very small amounts only (like about four or five postage stamps), and watch for calcium residue. If she's eating a bit of parsley, her C intake is probably fine (they don't need much, really).

It sounds like she really needs the others' competition to eat her lettuce properly. That's not a bad thing, really.

As far as waste goes -- kale lasts quite a while in the fridge. Otherwise, throw it out with impunity and don't worry about it. I tried a small piece of it once and spit it out. That's one of the nastiest things I've ever tried to eat.

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Post   » Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:11 pm


Talishan, you had my husband and I both laughing out loud. He would disagree with you though, and so would I. I can't smell cauliflower without feeling sick, and he thinks spinach and avocado are the worst. He calls my guacamole "moldy mayonaise". -_-

Ok, I'll see if I can sneak a tiny piece of kale into my pocket while at the grocery store. KIDDING! I can't do much of my own grocery shopping anymore so please don't turn me in. ;o)

Talishan
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Post   » Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:15 pm


I won't. The grocery store would probably be glad to have you steal some, though.

Your husband is sadly mistaken. Good guacamole is to die for. ;-)

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LS in AK
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Post   » Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:01 am


Talishan, I completely agree that raw kale is disgusting. But, cooked up with various other delectable veggies, it is magically transformed, just like Cinderella on the night of the prince's ball. If you were to try some of my little sister's kale-sweet potato soup with tofu croutons (baked in salt, pepper, and agave nectar!) then I believe the sun would rise and banish your kale aversion forever.

GrannyJu, when I read of Miss Fuzz refusing her lettuce, I couldn't help but picture this little piggy scowling and giving the stink-eye to the offending leaf while thinking *But, I wanted PEPPERS! Just like everyone else!*

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Post   » Sat Sep 26, 2015 10:21 pm


Poor Fuzz. I may have to take her completely off fresh vegetables. Even lettuce keeps her poos soft. I tried her with spinach, cilantro (she's stopped eating parsley), green beans, carrots, radicchio, bell peppers (all colors), dandelion, a grape, watermelon, raisin ... It all keeps her poo soft. Somethings make it so soft it smears, and so smelly I want to gag. Dandelion is the first that comes to mind.

Dental check on Monday (28th). Will talk to new vet about Fuzz's diet and intestinal situation. Fuzz drops a lot of lettuce and carrot flakes (not sure what else since there are 2 hoovers sharing the cage with her).

Hair is falling out like crazy. Have been treating for lice for 3 weeks, even though I haven't actually seen any on her, just VeBee (I think). A lot of the hair that comes out when I stroke her seems to have large skin tags on them - black (like she is), flat, and mostly on one end of the hair. Looking at them through a magnifier doesn't change the appearance, still looks black and flat, like a flake of skin. Finally seeing a lessening of scratching.

Poor baby. Definitely something going on health-wise, I just can't figure out what! Seems to be maintaining her weight, though, thank God!

Date, Weight, and Ivomec dosages:
9/11 1289 grms (9/12) 0.065 units
9/16 1271 grms (9/19) 0.065 units
9/26 1270 grms 0.065 units

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Lynx
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Post   » Sun Sep 27, 2015 11:36 pm


Some thing does seem to be going on. Read over gl/hairloss.html and see if anything rings a bell there. It may be a systemic problem (illness).

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LS in AK
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Post   » Mon Sep 28, 2015 2:11 am


Sounds more like a fungal infection than lice to me, with the skin flakes coming off along with the fur. Especially if you can't find any lice on her.

Maybe stop treating with the Ivomec and give her a Nozoral bath instead?

If fungal, the infection could definitely be secondary to a separate issue.

Example: one of my girls had ongoing fungal issues so long as she was housed in the playpen on the floor. As soon as I got her up off the floor (had to rig up a secondary cage that isn't as big...) the scratching and fur loss stopped. Had the same problem with my other girl, when she was housed in the playpen on the floor for awhile (it doubles as the quarantine pen). She came to me with a bad case of mites that just would not clear up. I think I gave her like 7 or 8 rounds of ivermectin, and she did not stop gnawing and scratching at her back until I finally got her up off the floor.

Vet and I think the floor pen is just too drafty, and the carpet tends to smell like mildew down there. It is fine for a bit of run-run time everyday, but not as a permanent home.

Just a thought.

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GrannyJu1
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Post   » Mon Sep 28, 2015 12:35 pm


Wow! Lots of info to talk over when we meet the new vet and she checks Fuzz and Peek out.

Lynx, after reading your links, I realized that ALL of this started after I moved the first 4 - Peek, Scatter, Flossie, and *Fuzzbutt* to larger floor cages. While I did, and do, worry a little about drafts, it's usually only my husband and I walking through their room, and while I keep the window open at least an inch or 2, I've covered the bottom half of the window covered with choroplast to cut down on the drafts from it. There is no carpet in the house; rugs are under the fleece and absorbent padding, and they get washed every 2 or 3 weeks (normally - right now they get washed every week just like all the other bedding); rugs in other rooms around the house. I do have the 2 cats who go in and through the guinea pig room because I have litter boxes in and beyond the pig room. Besides, I don't believe it's actually Fuzzbutt doing the "barbering, I think that is VeBee's work, although if it is, she's focused her talents on Fuzz, not Peek. THAT could be because Peek won't stand/sit still for it, though.

I don't think it's fungal. I've not noticed any skin problems, although Dr. Baumgartner did mention some dandruff when she last saw Fuzz, she didn't think it was problematic. I only mentioned the skin tags on the loose hair because I looked for, and didn't see, any nits on the hair. I think Fuzzbutt is a Teddy - fuzzy, fuzzy hair. I've read they have their own special skin problems. Correct? Fuzz is the one of the 5 who had the most "skin tags", and she is my only Teddy (?). While the others might have had some (in fact VeBee has lost at least one clump of half a dozen or more hairs in one the cuddle sacks), Fuzz showed the skin on at least half of the hairs I stroked out.

With the soft, smelly poops, her butt is pretty dirty. No poop stuck to it, just yellow/brown instead of white. (I have noticed that VeBee and Peek have definitely bonded and Fuzz seems almost ostracized. She is quiet, and spends most of her time alone out in the open instead of under a piece of fleece or in a cuddle cup/sack. I feel so bad for her since I originally got VeBee more as a playmate for her. Do guinea pigs "ignore/abandon/ostracize" the sick?) Back to the dirty butt... Can I bathe her? At the moment I only have a pet shampoo from my cat vet's practice (for dogs,cats, puppies, and kittens) but it's anti-parasitic stuff. I don't know if it's safe to use alongside the ivomec treatments. I've got some other stuff ordered; it's not Nizoral (or whatever that's called).

The only one I think I saw the lice on is VeBee - she's the Abyssinian (longish, thin, hair that swirls in all directions - ?). And again, while I'm 99% sure I saw them, my husband did not. I looked at her hair and skin for a long time (10-15 minutes, several times); he looked once for at most 1 minute. I, on the other hand, have very bad floaters in my vision. If I had to rely only on my eyes to decide she had lice, I wouldn't. It's a combination of symptoms I see in one or all 5 pigs. Scratching, hair loss, and, again in VeBee's case, extreme skittishness. She's the most social and affectionate of them all; until the last few weeks, she didn't mind at all being petted in the cage or out; was willing to let me pick her up to take her out of the cage. After 3 treatments, she's letting me pet her in the cage again, although I think the others infected her - she no longer stands still to let me pick her up. ;o)

Anyway, we're off to the vet, who will hopefully recognize the symptoms and be able to help me fix Fuzz up quickly and safely. I'll post more when we return.

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Lynx
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Post   » Mon Sep 28, 2015 1:11 pm


Well, whatever's going on, I wish you success!

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GrannyJu1
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Post   » Wed Sep 30, 2015 2:05 am


New vet gave Fuzz a quick lookover, not an indepth exam, since the appointment was only for a dental check. However i pointed out the hair Fuzz had shed while on the table, and the vet did bend down to look at the "skin tags" closely. She picked something up and gave it a really close look and said "This is a bug. It has legs. it's a dead bug though, so the treatments are working". (Sigh) I swear I looked at the larger ones at home with a magnifier glass and I couldn't see anything resembling a bug. On anyone's hair, or the table after I'd brushed hair off of each. I was pretty sure I'd seen moving bugs on VeBee, but couldn't see them on the others, light or dark hair. Anyway, parasites are parasites and I gotta get rid of them. 3 More weeks of Ivomec and if that doesn't work, we'll go for some kind of injection, even though that will mean multiple visits with all 5 pigs. Gonna be a very unhappy husband if that happens.

Fuzz's teeth: I'm not sure how long she spent checking them, she did it in back while they were taking Peek's x-rays. She said she did see some food stuck in back, and Fuzz does have some small points showing on her teeth. Wants her back in 2 weeks to take another look, and possibly do some work. Current level of husband's unhappiness is gonna go up when I insist on x-rays for Fuzz before any work is done. Hopefully, the vet will have more time for us. If not, I'll keep looking for a qualified vet. :o(

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