Guinea Pig Lump under Chin neck area

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Lynx
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Post   » Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:50 am


I tried to split this post from the post you were writing on. Your initial post was:
I have a 5 and a half year old piggie. This morning I noticed a lump under his chin. I don't know if it was there before, but it definitely grew a lot over night. I read about other pigs with the same problem in this thread. Being Saturday I can't even get a normal vet, and there is no exotic vet around here. Should I give him antibiotics? And in what dose?
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We can't provide advice that should come from a veterinarian who can examine your guinea pig. Provide supportive care and see a vet asap.
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cucuzel

Post   » Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:58 am


I was planning to give him the antibiotic that I saw mentioned earlier in the thread, at least until Monday when I can see a vet. I'm worried that the lump might grow a lot until then since it appeared over night. Also I'm pretty sure it's an infection, a tumor wouldn't grow at such an accelerated rate.

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Lynx
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Post   » Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:10 am


I think your analysis is correct.

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cucuzel

Post   » Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:52 am


I was planning to give him doxycycline. I noticed it's broad spectrum and it case it kills his appetite I have Critical care. I was just looking for help with the dosage. The pharmacist told me to dissolve the content of the capsules in 4 ml of water and give him 2 ml of that. I'm just worried about overdosing. His behaviour hasn't changed, he's eating well but has recently started to drop weight. He's now at 800 g. He used to weigh 1050 g. Should i supplement with Critical care?

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Post   » Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:22 am


The throat area is a likely place for cervical lymphadenitis. If the lump gets large enough, it may burst, and CL is highly contagious.

I'm not sure an oral antibiotic will do much for it as long as it's whole. Guinea pig pus is very thick and cheesy, and antibiotics don't penetrate will. A vet would lance it at the very least, and possibly remove it entirely, and then give an antibiotic.

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Lynx
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Post   » Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:00 pm


There are lots of links to antibiotic doses and how to calculate doses. Find someone who knows how to do this if you do not and you are resolved to give an antibiotic.
www.guinealynx.info/antibiotics.html
www.guinealynx.info/calculate_dose.html

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cucuzel

Post   » Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:21 pm


I forgot to mention something. I believe the infection is related to a dental issue. His breath smells putrid and his front teeth are yellowish. Is it possible that a dental infection cause this?

bpatters
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Post   » Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:00 pm


Yes, it's possible. And in that case you'll need a really effective antibiotic to get to the root of it. I'm guessing a vet would give chloramphenicol, but that's only a guess.

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cucuzel

Post   » Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:13 pm


That's what I was planning to give him. But al veterinary pharmacies were closed and the human pharmacies don't have it anymore, it's been taken off the market. So I gave him doxycycline. I figured it wouls at least slow down the infection until Monday when a vet could give me chloramphenicol.

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cucuzel

Post   » Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:28 am


Quick update.
I took my piggie to the vet, he has been on antibiotics for a week. They also drained the pus several times. It was an abcess after all. I am feeding him Critical Care, he still has difficulty eating. The vet said he might have pricked himself with a bit of hay and it gor infected. His throat might still be tender, hence the difficulty in eating. He had lost a lot of weight, today's weighing showed an increase of 30 g. I'm concerned about the tissue that holds the abcess, the vet told me that normally they would perform surgery to remove it, but they don't feel comfortable with such a small animal, also he's 5 and a half years old. Would a complete course of antibiotics be enough to make sure the abcess doesn't come back? He has been through a lot of pain and discomfort, I hope it's not been in vain...

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Lynx
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Post   » Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:36 am


This is the kind of abscess that would be flushed once or twice a day by you at home using a warm sterile saline solution to keep moving out the accumulation of new pus. Your vet would have put in a drain (this is a tube to keep things open) to aid in flushing.

If your guinea pig is in pain, I would also get pain medication.

http://www.guinealynx.info/abscess.html
http://www.guinealynx.info/pain.html

Talishan
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Post   » Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:13 am


Ditto Lynx.

Yes, these can clear entirely with antibiotics alone. It's not ideal -- ideally, you'd want the abscess removed and the root cause definitively identified -- but an extended antibiotic course (a month or more) can in some cases completely clear it.

"Pulsing" an ab can also sometimes work -- i.e., two weeks on, one week off; three weeks on, one week off, etc., for an extended period of time.

Stay the course and keep going. Hopefully the ab does the job for him!

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daisymay
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Post   » Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:23 pm


When Jessie had one of her many abscesses this one occurred on the Easter long week-end. Kirsty our vet advised us to put a warm to hot flannel on it to help burst it. After 2 applications the abscess burst right on cue, then we put her on Tribrissen for 3 weeks and flushed it 4-6 times a day. This kept the abscess at bay for 6 weeks till another sprung up. It was discovered Jessie had a bad tooth and it had to be removed or she would pass away.

I would suggest in my opinion to get your vet to X-ray as there must be a reason for the abscess to appear. If we had done this with Jessie with a proper X-ray machine things may have turned out differently. After the surgery her jaw became misaligned and she never ate by herself again. Wishing you and your piggy all the best! Keep us posted.

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Kimera

Post   » Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:37 pm


One of my piggies also suddenly developed an abscess under his chin. The lump was easily removed and subsequently flushed. The X-ray however showed that the underlying problem was an overgrown tooth root. The molar was planed down and and the abscess hasn't returned yet.

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cucuzel

Post   » Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:31 am


I took the piggie to a specialised vet, she took an X-ray and discovered the underlying cause was an infected molar. She took out the tooth and the infected. He woke up and is eating, so I hope he'll be ok. It's just that he lost a lot of weight and I'm not sure he's eating enough. I have been feeding him Critical Care and something really strange happened. For example I fed him yesterday around 3 pm and all afternoon he ate cucumbers and grass and hay, but this morning, when the vet tried to examine him before the surgery she had to pull a lot of the paste out of his throat. How could he have swallowed food he ate later but not food he ate earlier?...
After the surgery the vet put a cone on him. He struggled until he finally tore it. I'm not sure what the cone was supposed to do, maybe protect the stitches?
The vet gave post surgery care instructions to our regular vet, so hopefully everything will be ok. I just hope he can put the weight back on.

bpatters
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Post   » Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:29 pm


A cone will protect the stitches from being scratched out, but it will also keep them from eating their cecal pellets. You need to retrieve them and offer them to him a couple of times a day.

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Lynx
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Post   » Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:57 pm


The cecal feces are the special poops that guinea pigs reingest for their nutrients. They are usually green and smelly. Something about that here:

www.guinealynx.info/impaction.html

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daisymay
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Post   » Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:00 pm


So glad all went well with the surgery and they got the tooth out. Has he a hole inside of face that needs flushing? Jessie did and we had to flush it 4-6 times a day with saline solution. He'll more than like not put back all the weight but hopefully he'll put some back on. Are you feeding him soft foods? I was told when Jessie got a tooth removed the jaw is very delicate for first 1-3 weeks. We even had to put blankets all around the cage so she couldn't hit her mouth on anything. Pointless exercise when vet had broken her jaw in 3 places. The damage had already been done!
Will have everything crossed he continues to make great leaps and strides in his improvement! Sending healing vibes and hugs to you both!

Talishan
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Post   » Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:11 am


Cones are generally useless on guinea pigs and it freaks them out. If it were me, if he rips it off again, leave it off.

Were you given antibiotics and pain medication postop?

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cucuzel

Post   » Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:52 am


It's been 5 days now since the surgery and he hasn't put back much weight. Should I be concerned? He hasn't lost any additional weight, I guess that's good. He gets antibiotics every day, we were also given pain medication, but he doesn't seem to be in pain. The vet also flushes the little wound that is being kept open.
I am feeding him Critical Care and he also eats on his own. He spits it out occasionally and there's something else I don't understand. Even today the vet scooped out some Critical Care from his throat... I fed him last night and in the mean time he has eaten other vegetables and grass etc. How come there was no trace of other food than Critical Care? And why isn't he still swallowing it correctly?
I didn't put the cone back on him. While he had it his only concern was to get it out; he didn't eat, didn't rest. But the stiches are ok.

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