I soak him in warm water twice a day (after his dose of tramadol) and every few days I shampoo him. I feed him 20 cc of critical care three times a day. I set him upright several times a day (only when he's awake) to prevent him from getting sores. Both front feet have bumblefoot, which is also being treated by the laser.
With all of this going on, he still purrs when I pet him, looks up when someone walks by his cage, and loves eating. He's never been able to "wheek", so I taught him how to ring a bell instead, but he can no longer reach it, so he's silent. He's a wonderful boy and has a great vet team looking after him. His vet is treating Santino as his own and doesn't think we should euthanize him since he's still eating and enjoying affection.
I'm trying to do good things for him to make sure he's happy, but I can't help questioning myself. It's very hard for me to see him like this and I ask myself if it's harder for me to watch him like this or is it harder for him to exist like this?
We use Care Credit for his treatment, so that's not the problem. I don't at all mind giving him his baths and moving him around as he needs it. I see it as though he's a person in a nursing home. Mentally he's fine, it's his body that's failing.
I don't really know what I'm expecting here, but I was hoping to get some opinions on the situation. What are some other things I should be doing for him? Any ideas on increasing his comfort? If you've been at this place before, how did you know when to euthanize?
I'm relying on his vet to answer that last question, but I'd still like your thoughts on it.
- You can quote me
Not time yet.
You're doing a beautiful job caring for him.
At our house -- if they are in severe, unremitting, untreatable pain, or if they are listless, uninterested in food, their surroundings, their cagemate(s, if any) or us -- if they've essentially withdrawn and lost their personalities, their selves -- it's time.
Trust your gut. If or when the time comes, you will know.
I look at it this way: guinea pigs don't think, or worry about, or fear, what's coming. If they have bad days, they feel awful. If followed by a good day, they're fine. If they wake up, breathe clean air, have good food and water, they are alive, they are here and that's good.
They don't see themselves disabled. You do. They don't think about it, you do. They only know they are alive, and that's all that matters. They want to live, until they don't.
Look at it more like he does, and you will know if or when that time comes.
Thank you and bless you for caring for him so well. Walk with him, one day at the time.
- Supporter 2016-2018
Try giving him cuddles when watching the TV, wrapped in a towel. Ours use to and still do the ones we have love/d it.
The trending thought is that I'll know when it's time, but I doubt myself sometimes. I'll try to keep my own thoughts out of it and rely on how he's feeling day by day and keep in mind that's how he lives, one day at a time.
I keep layers of fleece under him to prevent soreness and massage him sometimes, but will now make that a part of his daily routine. He had laser treatment on Monday and they showed me how to move and gently stretch his legs. I think adding massage is a great idea. He goes again tomorrow for another treatment.
Thank you again, everyone. If it's okay, I'll try to update this with his progress over time. I'm sure reading your suggestions would be useful for someone else in similar situation!
- You can quote me
Wrong. You'll know. Keep your mind and heart clear; walk with him, one day at the time. He will either leave you at home, in comfortable, familiar surroundings, or you will know. Trust your gut.
My very best to him and to you. Do keep us posted.
Of course, my opinion might change if you had written that your quality of life is going down because of all these cares and money spent... that would be another subject...
Good things for him. He still loves carrots and discovered he's a fan of mango. He's eating less hay and drinking less water, though. I think it might be okay since I'm syringe feeding him and I make the mixture with Pedialyte and water. He's eating 35cc per feeding (sometimes a bit more).
He sleeps most of the time. He has 2 more laser treatments left and then we're done. I told them that I don't think we're going to do another 12 since he no longer walks. They're fine with that, so we'll just continue maintaining his comfort.
Thank you all again for offering your thoughts. I appreciate it.
He hasn't purred in days and makes grunting noises any time I handle him. He's never been able to wheek, so he doesn't do that. Sometimes he chatters his teeth at me when I touch him. His back feet are very cold and pale. I told his tech about it today and she said it was because he doesn't move. I keep him covered up with a blanket.
My husband thinks it's time to euthanize him. I'm not so sure. His eyes are dull and rarely sparkle anymore. His front legs no longer work and he can barely lift his head. He doesn't eat hay or pellets. He's essentially a furry log that chews and is sometimes interested in his surroundings.
I made squishy little pillows, square ones and bolster shaped, to keep under him. They lift his head so he can still eat carrots and fruits if he wants. He seems to enjoy them.
He has a proper vet appointment scheduled for next Tuesday rather than a laser appointment.
He had trouble moving, but could still walk, prior to laser treatments. He declined very, very quickly, within days of starting laser, that my husband is wondering what he'll be like without the treatments. I think he's hoping the laser somehow made him unable to move and once it's discontinued, he'll gain his strength back. I haven't found any evidence online that laser causes progression of immobility, but rather the opposite. That's his only hesitation about euthanizing Santino. I'm curious to know what everyone's thoughts are on that. I read in the arthritis forum that laser has been successful.
Today Santino is better, though. He ate lettuce this morning, which he hasn't done in a few days. So far, he's finished 2 baby carrots. He didn't have interest in syringe feeding, but I think it's because he properly ate this morning.
I wish he could speak to me and let me know how he's feeling. I know we all wish that for our pets, even when they're not sick, just to be sure they're happy.
- And got the T-shirt
I approach things like this by way of what I'd want for myself. Death isn't the worst thing in the world, but living in pain, largely immobile, unable to enjoy any of the things life has to offer -- that's far worse, IMO.
I appreciate your opinion, bpatters. I've seen your other posts, along with everyone else that had posted on this thread, and you all always offer sound advice.
I did think I was keeping him alive for only me, but was told otherwise. Now, though, I'm certain it's merely for myself and not what he would want. So much can change in a few days, I'm finding. My fear of making a mistake is preventing him from peace, I worry.
There was another thread in this forum where someone had to euthanize their pig even though the pig was still enjoying food. It made the decision painful, and I totally understand why. I can't find the thread right now. I told my husband last night that I think this is what will happen with Santino. Yes, he's eating and loves his carrots and especially mango now, but otherwise it would be misery to be him. I would feel trapped.
I would still like to wait until Tuesday for his vet appointment. The vet has treated Santino as his own and has done what he would do for his own pig. I would like to know what he would do at this point.
I do worry -- what if the vet wants to continue treatment?! I trust his judgement and don't want to question his knowledge, so I haven't. I've left everything in his hands, with the exception of doing another round of laser treatment. I went to the Journey's euthanasia scale because I read that's used by vets, and Santino's score was 22 out of 80. 8 is suffering, 80 is fine. I don't want to force him to 8.
For a couple of weeks there's been part of me that has wanted to euthanize him while he's not suffering because I don't want to force him to that place. It's so confusing to know what's right.
Sorry for all the rambling, everyone. I suppose I'm thinking out loud.
- Supporter 2016-2018
I don't want to bring religion into it, but life is God's precious gift and to take it away even to ease pain in a person to me is Murder and just isn't right. There is NO way I would do suicide not even if I was in a vegetable state. To me it is so wrong in a person! I would make a will saying that I wanted to live NO matter how bad things got. That is my opinion and I have to be 100% sure before I take my pets in to let them sleep forever. Even today I wonder whether I did the right thing!but if I were in his state, I would choose to move to Oregon so I could take advantage of die with dignity/assisted suicide.
So you're right wanting to be 100% sure. Talk it over with your vet Tuesday, then you have all the facts and can make a wise well informed decision. Sending hugs and healing vibes your way! Maybe he will fall asleep on his own at home close to you and your husband, with people he knows and loves and in familiar circumstances. Enjoy every moment you have with him!
Thank you, Lynx. I think so, too. The more he deteriorates the less I think it will be a peaceful death on his own, though that's what I had hoped for.