Crusty nipples -- whitish deposit

pinta

Post   » Mon Jan 07, 2002 1:42 am


I´ve had 2 pyo sows. One did well after spaying, the other died on the table(aspiration under the anaesthetic) before the incision was completed.

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Lynx
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Post   » Mon Jan 07, 2002 7:56 am


I don´t have any good vets anywhere nearby -- at least not from what I can tell (I tried calling around to track down the best). For the time being I think I´ll just keep track of her. I´m sure routine hysterectomies are not done on PMSy women and it may be kind of drastic.

Interesting to consider the role hormones play in behavior. She would be pegged as a dominant pig, maybe wrongly.

cavytopia

Post   » Fri Jan 11, 2002 11:30 pm


I haven´t been on the board in a few days (busy helping my son write a report and working some child care jobs) so I just now read the post about your piggie, Lynx. While I lack the knowledge to offer you any advice I just want you to know that you and your piggie are in my thoughts. I hope that she is doing allright.

As far as exotics vets in the area, I do know that there is one in Amherst, which is about an hour drive from you. It is called Laurel Stone Veterinary Hospital and Dr. Hope is the small animal specialist. I have only visited them one time when I first got my piggies just for a well check up and didn´t see Dr. Hope but saw Dr. Duncan (who usually treats reptiles and birds) as Dr. Hope was out of town and I wanted to have my boys checked the day after I got them-- I got them Sunday and took them to the vet Monday). So I can´t really comment on how they handle a cavy illness but perhaps someone in your area may have heard of them.

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Post   » Sat Jan 12, 2002 12:28 am


Snowflake seems to be fine. Her nipples look good. She continues to rumble and mount if it strikes her fancy.

If you think of it, find out if he has done any spays on guinea pigs. If so, how many, how recent was the last one, and how well did they go. I´ll keep it in mind for future reference (like I said, I don´t have much confidence in the vets near me). Any other feedback you care to add would be appreciated.

cavytopia

Post   » Sat Jan 12, 2002 1:05 am


It´s good to hear that Snowflake is doing so well.

I will find out about the vet and the spays on guinea pigs. BTW, I had the vets name wrong -- it is not Dr. Duncan but Dr. Duncan Augustine (the reptile/bird vet). Also, the small animal vet is a she -- Dr. Angela Hope. They are the only exotics vets in the area where I live (they are 1/2 hour from me).

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lisam

Post   » Tue Jan 15, 2002 6:30 pm


Today at floor time I noticed Amidala, my PMS pig, was mounting everyone and being a little more obnoxious than usual. I picked her up for a little talk and guess what? She has the same crusty stuff on her nipples that your Snowflake does.

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Post   » Tue Jan 15, 2002 10:20 pm


I guess the other thing we noticed was the nipples seemed larger (not swollen, just larger) than the other female´s nipples. Is this also the case?

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lisam

Post   » Tue Jan 15, 2002 10:57 pm


Yes. They are larger. I think that is why I noticed them, because they really stuck out there. Amidala is 3 years old, and this behavior of hers seems to be escalating. I re-read Pinta´s post, and am thinking I should be taking her to the vet for an ultrasound. She has started losing a little weight, I had thought to take her in to have her teeth looked at. I wonder if it can be connected.

pinta

Post   » Wed Jan 16, 2002 12:15 am


Weight loss and pyometra can be connected. Samantha´s weight loss was what tipped us off to a problem somewhere. We didn´t connect the extra large nipples to pyometra until it was diagnosed.
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lisam

Post   » Wed Jan 16, 2002 12:25 am


I suppose it would be a good idea to take my vet (Lee Harris in Federal Way) a copy of this thread when I take Amidala in.

pinta

Post   » Wed Jan 16, 2002 12:28 am


He can consult with my vet if he wants. Might have already. She can give him the lowdown on our pyometra cases.

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Post   » Wed Jan 16, 2002 9:02 am


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I am wondering if these probable hormonal changes (indicated by sexual behavior) are always indicative of possible problems.

If any of you people out there have now or had sows that fit this description (even if only being continually aggressive/mounting in their behavior), I would appreciate any information you could add on their medical history and longevity.

And Pinta, did your sows with pyometria display this kind of behavior?


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Post   » Sat Jan 19, 2002 8:36 am


Have you seen the vet yet? I noticed a day or two ago Snowflake was pulling hair out on one side of her belly. I treated them all for parasites but I´ll bet that isn´t it. Neither of the two local vets has an ultrasound that can be used on pigs (one has no ultrasound, the other doesn´t have an attachment that could work on small animals). Looks like I´m going to have to start calling around to find out who has done successful spays.

my2piggies

Post   » Sun Jan 20, 2002 2:20 pm


I have just noticed this week that Marcy was getting a bald spot on her back and when i picked her up today she wriggles abit more than usual and I ended up covered in fur.

She was treated for mites not too long ago so i was a bit suprised to see the signs again. When our last pig was ill, the first symptons of any problem was a mite flare up, this happened before the appetite went and other signs of illness (URI) showed up. Unfortunately we had an unknowledgable vet who treated the mites alone. The second vet he saw explained his body was too busy fighting the URI so the mites flared up, unfortunatley by the time he saw her it was too late.

I don´t want to make that mistake again, we are going to the vet tomorrow.

my2piggies

Post   » Tue Jan 22, 2002 11:54 am


Although he couldn´t find/feel anything wrong inside her (and he certainly had a good try) he suspects ovarian cysts, and said the only cure would be to have her spayed. He said this might also explain the hair loss.
She is being treated for mites anyway. I have to keep a close eye on her and see if her behaviour alters at all, incase there is a slim chance her stroppy behavior is caused by mite irritation (although this wouldn´t explain the crusty bits).
She is going back next Wednesday for more mite shots and/or further investigation.

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Post   » Tue Jan 22, 2002 12:57 pm


If you end up getting her spayed, let us know if it appears there was anything abnormal going on. One day I think there must be something dreadfully wrong with Snowflake and the next day I feel like I am over reacting and seeing things that aren´t there. I don´t have much confidence in the local vets diagnosing things and would hate to do an unnecessary surgery.

pinta

Post   » Tue Jan 22, 2002 4:38 pm


HCG (a hormone) injections can shrink cysts. We´ve used them on old sows or sows who are not good surgical candidates wuth great success.

There might be a problem getting HCG in the States now - I heard rumour it would soon be unavailable. We can still get it in Canada, but the source is in Europe.

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lisam

Post   » Tue Jan 22, 2002 11:37 pm


My appointment for Queen Amidala is tomorrow morning. I have limited internet access right now, but will try to get back to you and let you know what he says.

pinta

Post   » Wed Jan 23, 2002 1:15 am


If she has pyometra though, HCG will do nothing. A spay is necessary for pyometra. But HCG does work well on cysts. We have had hair growth and reduction in cyst size on the sows we´ve used it on (3 recently).

It doesn´t get rid of the cysts, just reduces them in size. And there is always a chance that in time, the cyst will increases in size again necessitating another course of injections.

Not all pigs will be responsive. One of our sows didn´t respond at all to the first course of treatment(3 or 4 injections spaced 1 week apart). Then a couple of months later, we tried again and this time she did respond.

The only guaranteed "cure" for ovarian cysts is a spay.

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Post   » Fri Jan 25, 2002 6:30 pm


Update:

Well, I hauled all the pigs in to see the vet (Kitten was just keeping the other two company). The vet has decided a spay sounds like a good solution for her. He can´t feel any ovarian cysts but feels something is apparently going on. A week from today she will get a spay and stay over night.

Her symptoms:
  • Hormone driven, pms- behavior (mounting, displaying self on a regular basis, other pigs intimidated)
  • Some weight loss (perhaps 3 ounces in a couple months -- the pigs were also switched to Oxbow a couple months ago)
  • Some hair loss on the side of her abdomen, more on one side than the other -- I saw her pulling some of the hair out so something may be bugging her (had been ivermectined a few months ago -- just did again but don´t think it was necessary, no other pigs with hairloss).
  • Funky nipples (see pics in this thread).
This vet fasts the pigs two hours befor surgery (good) does not routinely give pain medication (maybe bad -- he says rymidil (sp?) can cause liver damage in dogs, doesn´t use it much, feels he couldn´t prescribe an adequate amount, feels keeping her overnight would ensure she wasn´t in pain), does not routinely give antibiotics for this type of surgery (no known current infection -- Snowflake apparently otherwise healthy).

The sutures would be removed in 10 to 14 days.

We´ll see how it goes. It sounded like he might allow me to take pics of the procedure (he has the option of changing his mind).

Anyway, that´s how things stand. I´m going to try to assemble things to make her feel at home (her preferred pellets, water, some nice vegs for after surgery, lots of hay and maybe even some tender grass if I can find some).

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