Zyrtec's skin problem

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Lynx
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Post   » Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:10 pm


I hope additional ivermectin treatments help too!

Putting this here because I did not know what Atarax is:
Atarax (Hydroxyzine Hydrochloride): Side Effects, Interactions [... ] - RxList
https://www.rxlist.com/atarax-drug.htm
Hydroxyzine Hydrochloride Tablets USP, 10 mg, 25 mg and 50 mg contain the following inactive ingredients: anhydrous lactose, colloidal silicon dioxide, croscarmellose sodium, FD&C Yellow No. 6, hypromellose, magnesium stearate, microcrystalline cellulose, polyethylene glycol, polysorbate 80 and titanium dioxide.

annelie

Post   » Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:28 am


Hi everybody!
Im sorry for not updating in so long, but Zyrtec was not getting better and my original vet went on a leave, so I started a new investigation with a new vet that only accepts rodents as patients.

I prepared a chart for him with all previous treatments including a weight chart since he lost a lot of weight over xmas. This vet is lovely and she took the time to go through everything before starting the consult. This was good as she felt that all the recent steps of treating for parasites, antibiotic etc is what she also would have done.
Just to be sure regarding current status she ran haematology, glucose, liver and kidney values, as well as checked stool (parasites, float test, giardiasis, bacteria). All was ok (white blood count was within range but in her experience tad higher than usual). Heart, lungs and teeth were also checked and all was ok.
Since his stool was very soft and he was gassy we tried with a different probiotic, a drug to help intestinal mucosa and simethicone for gas (he just finished bactrim treatment with another vet). She also suspected that Z may be a particularly sensitive pig and that I should temporarily keep diet on pellets and hay to check for allergies.

Long story short (and many consults and visits to vet): Zyrtec is possibly allergic to pellets.

Interesting is that once the gas settled after removing pellets from diet it was possible to do an ultrasound. He has slightly enlarged kidneys with mineralisations, and with mineral deposit in bladder. His liver is inflamed and has a cyst. Peristalsis is increased and with a motility disorder.
He is on supplements for liver and kidneys at the moment while eliminating allergens.

All this sounds so bleak, BUT he is squeaking, sunbathing (window sun), eating, and drinking, happy little pig. Eventually we will sort all this out, and he will be the absolutely best pig he can be.

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Post   » Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:15 am


Thanks for the update.
She also suspected that Z may be a particularly sensitive pig and that I should temporarily keep diet on pellets and hay to check for allergies.

Long story short...Zyrtec is possibly allergic to pellets.

Interesting is that once the gas settled after removing pellets from diet ...
Was one of the things above incorrect? How did you find him allergic to pellets while he was on them? What brand of pellets was he eating and what are the ingredients?

I am glad you now have such a thorough vet. I hope you can make some progress on this. Is he getting any fresh vegetables right now? Introduced one at a time to make sure an individual vegetable is not causing problems?

bpatters
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Post   » Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:27 am


If he's not getting pellets or veggies, be sure to supplement him with vitamin C. Just don't put it in his water bottle.

But yay for a thorough vet!

annelie

Post   » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:58 am


Lynx wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:15 am
Was one of the things above incorrect? How did you find him allergic to pellets while he was on them? What brand of pellets was he eating and what are the ingredients?

I am glad you now have such a thorough vet. I hope you can make some progress on this. Is he getting any fresh vegetables right now? Introduced one at a time to make sure an individual vegetable is not causing problems?
I was a bit unclear. After he didn't improve after over a week without veggies I started to notice that he got slightly worse after eating pellets and then tested by omitting evening pellets, and he was slightly better next day. It improved further after 3 days without which was when we had our appointment at the vet.
He is not getting any veggies currently. I tried to give him cilantro, but he got insanely gassy. Im worried everything makes him gassy at this point due to inflamed intestine. (He IS keeping his weight, although he is only 800g)

The selection here in PL is quite different, but he was on Versele Laga Cavia complete for most his life and this was what he was eating in the above situation as well.
The vet then recommended Beaphar Nature which worked wonders, but he regressed back after 4 days (no change in diet or medications).
Now we will try Brit Animal (alfalfa based, Im sceptical but have to check if it works for him) and JR Farm grainless.

VL cavia complete: Poor info but vets here claim its good one (timothy, grasses and herbs 7%), fruit (elderberry 5%), minerals, seeds (linseed 2%), fructo-oligosaccharides (0.3%), calendula, yucca. Listed as grain free.

Beaphar Nature: (Timothy hay 49%, Herbal hay 10%, Chicory 5%, Inulin 0.2%, Yucca Schidigera 0.05%, Grapeseed extract 0.01%), Seeds, Vegetable Protein extracts, Fruit (Apple 5%), Minerals, Oils and fats, Yeast, Algae (Spirulina 0.01%).

Future plans:

Brit Animal: alfalfa, herbs (nettle, dandelion, plantain), corn, dried apples, wheat, carrot, rosehips, linseed, brewer´s yeast, Spirulina, paprika extract, mannan-oligosaccharides (75 mg/kg), fructo-oligosaccharides (50 mg/kg), milk thistle (50 mg/kg), Yucca schidigera extract (45 mg/kg).

JR Farm grainless complete: Alpine meadow grass (incl. timothy grass, foxtail, false oatgrass, cat grass, downy oatgrass, Kentucky bluegrass, red clover, meadow buttercup, sweet vernal grass, Yorkshire fog, yellow oatgrass, common vetch, hop clover, dandelion, ribwort, cowslip, shasta daisy, common daisy, greater burnet-saxifrage, meadowwort, parsnips, sorrel, germander speedwell, common hornweed, perennial ryegrass, soft brome, bird vetch, bush vetch, tridentate orchid, bulbous buttercup, yellow rattle, chervil, yarrow), pea flakes, broad bean flakes, carrots, parsnips, linseed, black onion seed, peppermint, nettle, lemon balm, beetroot, apple, fennel seed, dandelion (0.3%), chamomile.

Id gladly take advice regarding pellets to try. We are already ordering Orchard grass from the Hay Experts, so might as well order pellets from abroad too.

bpatters wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:27 am
If he's not getting pellets or veggies, be sure to supplement him with vitamin C. Just don't put it in his water bottle.

But yay for a thorough vet!
Oh yes! I like her a lot, and so does Z!
He is currently getting cebion vit C via syringe (50mg) daily. He is such an easy pig to treat. If it comes in a syringe he will love it!

bpatters
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Post   » Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:35 pm


He doesn't actually require pellets. He can do fine on hay and veggies, if you can find some that he can eat. If he can't eat the veggies, you'll have to supplement some vitamins.

annelie

Post   » Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:13 pm


bpatters wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:35 pm
He doesn't actually require pellets. He can do fine on hay and veggies, if you can find some that he can eat. If he can't eat the veggies, you'll have to supplement some vitamins.
The issue is to find a variety for him to eat, partially due to lack of selection in shops, and partially because he gets a lot of calcium deposits from most (fresh and dry) herbs and lettuce. I do think that I will end up going pellet free, but for now I am hoping and just taking it his pace not to overwhelm his system. Ofc with supplements :)

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Post   » Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:55 pm


I don't know about "bulbous buttercup" but here, buttercup is a poisonous plant.

Some of the products have so many ingredients, I don't know if they are really there (and in what quantities) and what they do.

www.guinealynx.info/forages.html
www.guinealynx.info/forages_poisonous.html

annelie

Post   » Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:04 pm


Lynx wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:55 pm
I don't know about "bulbous buttercup" but here, buttercup is a poisonous plant.

Some of the products have so many ingredients, I don't know if they are really there (and in what quantities) and what they do.

www.guinealynx.info/forages.html
www.guinealynx.info/forages_poisonous.html
Thank you! I actually never realised they may put a poisonous plant in pellets! Wont be giving him JR grainless as there is no point in risking any irritations.

annelie

Post   » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:40 am


Z is improving and I am removing all pellets at the moment as this seems to work the best. I will instead focus on reintroducing greens. He got cilantro today (I prefer cilantro as it does not cause gritty urine for him) and he tolerates it well this time! Stool is much denser and with a darker color, shaped like tear drops.
Once I get some veggies into his diet safely (and with stable GI) I can try and see if he will tolerate any pellets. I think that it's possible that once he is more stable he may tolerate pellets that previously made him gassy.

annelie

Post   » Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:49 am


Update

The day after cilantro (small amounts) his stomach completely crashed with bloat and tiny hard poops. It resolved with simethicone after 4h. He ate hay and drank insane amounts of water during the whole ordeal.

Nothing works. He improves for a day, max 2 and then falls back. Nothing is changed during the time of relapse. Hay only doesn't even really work.
Any suggestions are welcome!

Ill contact my vet to see if there is anything we can do but for now absolutely nothing really helped

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Post   » Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:24 pm


Thanks for the update. Sorry to hear he is still having issues.

Have you thought of having his poops analysed to see if there is an overgrowth of the wrong kind of bacteria?

It might be worthwhile reading over this page:
www.guinealynx.info/diarrhea.html

rjespicer

Post   » Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:13 am


Im not sure if it is worth a try but our 3 girls love wheatgrass. They mow through about 2 trays per day.
We alo give them Oxbow Digestive Supplement treats.

Lynx or bpatters do you think Probiotics like benebac may help or getting some poop from a healthy piggy?

bpatters
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Post   » Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:42 am


Either probiotics or poop soup would be worth a try.

annelie

Post   » Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:00 am


Thank you guys for your thoughts.
The poop has been analysed by two different clinics and neither found anything. He has for several weeks been on standard powdered capsule probiotics, then biolapis, and finally ampoules of lyophilised lactobacillus rhamnosus. Nothing helps.
I have given him several poop soup rounds and nothing.
We are seeing the vet on monday again (almost weekly visits now) but things are not looking good.

Thursday and friday he had some very odd cycling. First diarrhoea for approx. an hour, followed by well formed and firm poops. After ca half hour he was back to his sticky poops that he has on a daily basis. This same thing happened next day. The important part is that absolutely nothing is changing in his diet or behaviour during these times.

He doesn't tolerate anything. Veg, pellet (in small amounts) or anything other than just plain hay gives him painful bloats and is immediately followed by peristalsis that is so fast and gassy you can see exact movement of bowels under the skin. This of course leads to that anything he ate is passing way too fast for absorption. I am not even sure it is allergy that I am dealing with since all this is happening while he is only eating orchard grass hay and vitamin supplements.
The second time I tried giving him diaro-herb ("a mixture of herbs favorably affecting the functioning of the digestive tract during diarrhea (P. lanceolata, P.psyllium, R.plicatus, F.vesca, V. myrtillus, A.calamus, C.heterophyllum, P.erecta, P.bistora") but that did nothing.
During previous episodes he has been given human drugs for diarrhoea which also did nothing for him.

To add insult to the injury, I think he is now developing early stage pododermatitis due to obvious sticky poop reasons, and no matter how much I clean I can't keep up. (We started epsom salt baths)

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Post   » Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:05 am


I am so sorry he is so ill. Have you tried Equine Bio-Sponge? This is described on the diarrhea page:
http://www.guinealynx.info/diarrhea.html

annelie

Post   » Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:26 pm


I saw it but haven't tried it as it isn't available here. He has tried Carobin pet which seems to be similar.

Description: Adsorbent with properties stronger than kaolin and vegetable carbon High effect mitigating the effects of metabolic acidosis, which often occurs in long-term diarrhea. The content of potassium reduces the hydration time of the body. Full compatibility with any pharmacological treatments
The nucleotide content of DNA and RNA stimulates the intestinal immune system

bpatters
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Post   » Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:13 pm


The nucleotide content of DNA and RNA stimulates the intestinal immune system
That is marketing babble, for sure.

annelie

Post   » Sun Feb 24, 2019 3:31 pm


bpatters wrote:
Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:13 pm
That is marketing babble, for sure.
Oh yea! No doubt about that

annelie

Post   » Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:42 am


He was rapidly getting worse so now he is on prednisone (steroid, anti-inflammatory) 1mg per day orally. Poop improved within a day, but he is not gaining weight yet. We will evaluate the dose by end of the week.

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