Mammary tumor possible surgery

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Danusmom

Post   » Fri Jul 27, 2018 6:22 pm


Hi ! New here but not new to piggies . I've had several over the years and always consulted guinea lynx page but never joined the forum . Our only pig now has a mammary tumor . We've just been to the vet today and she said removal was the only thing she can do . She said t was quite solid and couldn't be aspirated (she tried ). She said the anesthesia is risky since piggies are so small they can't incubate them . Some don't tolerate anesthesia well. Some make it out just fine only to pass during recovery . But others do just fine . The quote for surgery was quite reasonable $260 . She's an exotic vet and has done surgery on pigs before . Our piggy, Danu, is only 2 and has a great appetite and is quite a loudmouth and a good cuddler. I'm most worried about the anesthesia . How often do guinea pigs make it through surgery ? How do I know if it's worth the risk ? He's still so young so I hate cut his life short by not doing surgery and having the tumor grow larger and take him . Or be cancerous and spread . Please share your advice or stories. I need some help making this decision

bpatters
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Post   » Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:00 pm


As surgeries go, removal of a mammary tumor isn't too bad. They don't have to cut into the abdominal cavity, and that's one big risk out of the way. Most pigs do very well after that surgery, and recovery is pretty uneventful. I'd definitely have the surgery done. Even if not malignant, those tumors can get large enough to interfere with mobility, and can cause pain.

What I'd want to know is how many pigs she's operated on before. If only a very few, I'd look around for an exotic vet with more surgery experience.

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Lynx
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Post   » Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:53 pm


With all her warnings, I wonder how much experience she does have. It sounds like she would rather not do the surgery. Is there another vet she might recommend? Anesthesia properly done is fairly safe on basically healthy guinea pigs. Guinea pigs in very poor condition or with heart issues can have problems.

Ditto bpatters on finding out exactly how many guinea pigs she has operated on. And what her success rate is.

Danusmom

Post   » Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:07 pm


I can ask about success rate and number of surgeries . As far as I know she's the only exotics specialist around . Others around sometimes see piggies but don't specialize in exotics . I know I was taking hamsters to her 18 years ago so she's been in business seeing exotics for quite a while . She said that piggies can't be intubated because their airways are so small and that's part of why it's risky but they do monitor them closely during and after surgery .

bpatters
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Post   » Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:50 pm


She's right about the intubation, but they can position the oxygen in such a way that they get most of it.

Somewhere on here, the user Regiane has a picture of her pig under anesthesia that gives you a good idea of how it's done.

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Lynx
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Post   » Sat Jul 28, 2018 9:21 am


From what I remember, a mask is generally put over their face.

Danusmom

Post   » Sun Jul 29, 2018 10:33 pm


If we decide against surgery does it definitely guarantee a shorter life for him ? I know the tumor can grow and then be inoperable but we don't know what rate it will grow or if it's cancerous . I just don't know how to weight this , his chances if we don't do the surgery vs doing it

bpatters
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Post   » Sun Jul 29, 2018 10:37 pm


Probably he'll live a shorter life, and he'll have pain.

If he were mine, I'd definitely opt for the surgery if I trusted the vet. If not, I'd see if I could find another one. And if I couldn't, I'd watch him carefully, and opt for euthanasia when his quality of life went down.

Danusmom

Post   » Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:52 pm


Good answer . I wasn't really sure why they recommend removal if they aren't usually cancerous . I'm going to call tomorrow and see if I can get some answers about her success rate and more specifics about surgery

bpatters
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Post   » Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:17 am


They recommend it because they grow and can hinder mobility in the legs, as well as causing pain.

Danusmom

Post   » Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:23 pm


Hello everyone . Thank you for your help earlier . I called our vet and asked about succes rates . The girl I spoke with was the same one who usually assisted with the surgeries . She said she'd been working there 14 years and only 3 had not made it through . I said so pretty high success rate , like 90 % ? She said much higher . She guesstimated they do 100-150 surgeries on guinea pigs and rats per year . So that made me full much better and we opted for the surgery . He had successful surgery yesterday . He is already back to his persistent noisy self .
Today I checked him and he'd already whipped off his bandage and pulled out ALL his staples !! That stubborn pig! I put a sock on his middle to protect his incision and keep him from pestering it . It seems closed still like he had glue but it had dried blood . I called the vet and they left a message for her but I didn't get a reply back . He hasn't gotten the sock off yet and is leaving the wound alone so far . They gave us Baytrill for 2x a day for 10 days as precaution after surgery . Is this normal and do we really need to give it to him ? I had a pig on baytril years ago and it made him not want to eat . Danu is his normal hungry self now and I kinda don't want to give him the antibiotic if we don't need to . If you all think we better I will . Any other suggestions on his incision would be great . I'm hoping we don't need to have the staples put back in and maybe just glue can hold it for now if the sock works

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Lynx
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Post   » Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:12 pm


Can you post a picture of it? You can email one to me if you have a crisp, clear photo of the incision.
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Sometimes they do use glue. There is more than one layer of skin that needs to be closed/glued/sutured, if I remember right. I think your idea of a sock may help. Read over www.guinealynx.info/bandaging.html for info about body bandaging.

There are two theories on giving antibiotics. Surgeries are supposed to be "clean" enough that antibiotics are not required. They are kind of like insurance. In some cases there is a higher probability of infection from contamination (neuter, for example, due to the location of the incision) so giving antibiotics makes more sense.

Danusmom

Post   » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:20 am


His wound looks like it's starting to open up a little . I had a sock on his middle yesterday and he left it alone all day but he got it off overnight . I think he needs some glue on the incision. I called the vet and she's not in today . The other vet isn't a small animal vet . So I don't know what to do . I can handle him and I'm wondering if there is some kind of wound glue safe that I could put on myself that wouldn't hurt him . Then try bandaging . I'm giving him the antibiotics. With the wound being uncovered and his staples out its probably best I give them just in case . But I need help with th glue part ,what to get and if it's safe . I'm no stranger to doctoring them at home as needed

Danusmom

Post   » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:26 am


Could I use this ? They have it at tractor supply . Lambert Kay Pet-Ag EMT Gel, Multi-Species, 1 oz https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AR91E3Q/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_3LcDBbW6AFDA2

Danusmom

Post   » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:31 am


@lynx I sent you a picture of his incision

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Lynx
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Post   » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:40 am


Here you go:



bpatters
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Post   » Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:55 am


I doubt that it can be sutured again, but the vet might be able to apply some more surgical glue to it. I think I'd take him to be looked at.

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GrannyJu1
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Post   » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:52 am


And try to keep the sock on him as much as possible. He'll keep pulling it off now that he knows he can, but if you keep putting it back on, he *may* get the message to leave it alone.

Bookfan
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Post   » Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:56 am


Yeah, I'd take him even if the vet there isn't a small animal vet. He ought to have some idea of what to do. I wouldn't leave it over the weekend if you can arrange it.

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