Baytril and appetite

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samim21

Post   » Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:33 am


Hi guys,

So my female pig, Philly (5y/o) has what looks like a UTI and has been on .35mL of Baytril for the last 6 days. She's lost most of her appetite and I am currently emailing my vet to see what we can do. I fed her about 5mLs of pellet slurry last night (she refuses to take much more at a time, but I may try again this morning) and she ate a little grass. She also eats a bit of grass in the morning and still eats lettuce, but doesn't drink much water or eat pellets or enough hay. I am thinking the Baytril is messing with her tummy and am going to pick up some critical care from the vet today.

My main question is, what do you think I should do? Should I stop the Baytril? Switch antibiotics? Add a probiotic? Should I just keep going with the Baytril for 4 more days and hope she gets an appetite back soon?

Also, I read on here to give her 60g of pellet slurry a day? Is that the case? It seems like so much and she can only eat like 5mL (so prob 8 grams ish) at a time...

She also hasn't lost any weight yet. She's about 2.2lbs.

Thanks guys, and please keep Philly in your thoughts.

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sef1268
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Post   » Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:59 am


2 lbs. 2 oz. is a small pig. Has she always been that small? It definitely sounds like the Baytril is causing her to lose her appetite, which is a common side effect of that drug. How did the vet diagnose UTI? What were her symptoms? Was a culture done? X-rays to rule out a bladder stone? Bactrim is generally a better medication choice for urinary tract infections, and most guinea pigs tolerate it fairly well. I would definitely ask the vet this morning about switching. It's always a good idea to use a probiotic with any antibiotic. See:
http://www.guinealynx.info/probiotics.html

You will need to keep handfeeding until she's eating well on her own. It's critical to keep her weight up and her gut moving. It sounds like you already read the handfeeding page, which I believe does mention breaking the feedings into smaller amounts throughout the day. Forcefeeding is just that -- forcing an ill guinea pig to eat when he or she can't or won't. It can literally save a sick animal's life. She may like the taste of Critical Care better than pellet slurry. I've sometimes had better luck using unflavored Pedialyte with it instead of water.

Good luck, and keep us posted.

samim21

Post   » Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:18 am


Hi sef,

No bladder stones on x-ray, no culture but they did an ultrasound and it looks like a UTI to the vet. She had lost a little appetite but was still eating and I heard her squeak while peeing once or twice. She also had some white discharge, which made me think sludge or stones, but none on the xray. She has always been around 2lbs, but I thought 700-900g was average for females? She's like 1000 grams ish? Vet said her weight is good.

No weight loss either. Just less eating with meds.

I have been talking to the vet about switching meds. I can ask about the Bactrim and a probitic. I am calling him once he gets in this morning, but I'd just like some more opinions other than what I've read already.

Any idea on how much pellet slurry is ok to give in one sitting? I don't want to overdo it. And is 60g of pellets about right? It just seems like so much. I've also seen some people mix it with baby food for taste? Is that ok or is it too sugary?

Thanks for the help

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Lynx
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Post   » Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:40 am


I think the hand feeding page gives some answers to how much to feed at a time. I would also increase fluids to help flush out the white discharge (does it dry into a powdery paste?). Was there an odor at her butt before antibiotics were started? And yes, see what your vet says about stopping the Baytril. Bactrim seems to work much better for a UTI and is better tolerated.
www.guinealynx.info/uti.html
www.guinealynx.info/antibiotic_advice.html

bpatters
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Post   » Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:03 am


I'd ask about switching to Bactrim.

But it is critically important that you hand-feed her if she's not eating. Guinea pigs are wired to need food moving through their systems at all times, and can develop painful/fatal stomach ulcers and/or bloat if they don't.

If she's eating nothing else, she needs 100+ cc of Critical Care or a slurry every day, split into 6-8 feedings around the clock. If she is eating some things, you can decrease that accordingly.

It's not a question of her wanting to eat the stuff. She's a two-pound guinea pig, you're an adult human, and you're well-fixed to win this battle. She MUST eat, or she'll die. If you're having trouble getting it in her, post back here with how you're doing it and we can offer tips for improving the process.

Good luck to you both.

samim21

Post   » Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:54 pm


Hi guys,

Just thought I’d give an update. Vet said to stop the baytril (she’s been on it about a week), so we did. Have been hand feeding her critical care. It was a nightmare to get her to take it until I added some stage 2 carrot baby food (less than a teaspoon to 15ml). She takes it easier now and looks to be on an upward trend. More (normal) poops which is good!

I have saline solution to give her today (she got some at the vet two days ago and they showed me how to administer it at home). Probably going to hold off on giving it to her until tomorrow as we are moving her and her sister into my new apartment today. I want to limit the stress I put her through as much as possible.

Still talking to the vet about what to do going forward. The priority right now is getting her to eat. Luckily she eats hay between syringes of critical care, so it’s definitely stimulating her appetite. We have a long way to go, but I think we are on the upswing.

samim21

Post   » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:04 pm


Hi guys,

Well, after tests and vet visits galore, it is looking like Philly, my 5 y/o female, might have a stomach ulcer. We are putting her on some stomach medication to see if that helps get her appetite up, but I was wondering if any of you have experience with treating a guinea pig with stomach ulcers? I.e. are there any foods we should avoid? Extra things we should be doing? We are going to start her back on critical care again until she eats more on her own. Advice appreciated!

*Was told to continue posting on this topic instead of a new one*

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Lynx
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Post   » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:15 pm


In humans, stomach ulcers are actually caused by a bacteria. Is your guinea pig getting any antibiotics?

I believe one member's guinea pig developed an ulcer as a result of not eating enough (increased gastric acid).

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sef1268
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Post   » Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:10 pm


That or long-term and/or high dosage use of NSAIDs. What medication were you given?

samim21

Post   » Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:34 am


I believe the current medication she is taking is ranitidine (I don't have the bottle in front of my atm but i think that's the name). We thought she had a uti a bit ago (see above) and she was on baytril and metacam for a bit. We initially gave her some metacam again to see if arthritis was causing her to lose her appetite but it made things worse. Her bloodwork showed some early signs of anemia so we are thinking stomach ulcer.

It seems like the rantidine might be starting to help (it's been about 5 days) and she's slowly starting to eat more on her own. Looks like I'll have to syringe feed her for a bit longer but I'm hoping she's back to her old self soon...

I think her previous loss of appetite + the NSAIDs + the previous infection + the fact that she's a relatively anxious pig were the culprits. However, if anyone knows if there are any foods that make gastric ulcers worse I'd be interested to know. I don't want to feed her anything to make it worse :(

bpatters
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Post   » Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:49 am


It's not the foods that cause the ulcers. It's the fact that guinea pigs, unlike humans and many other mammals, secrete stomach acid constantly instead of just when they're getting hungry. If there's no food in the stomach, the acid eats a hole in the stomach lining, and maybe all the way through the stomach wall.

samim21

Post   » Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:04 am


I see. Ok, we'll just keep encouraging her to eat her normal veg. Hopefully the crit. care and the meds help... :(

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Renonvsparky

Post   » Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:01 am


Has anyone suggested giving her a probiotic supplement? Antibiotics tend to kill off the good bacteria in their stomach as well as cause appetite loss. I would ask to make sure it doesn't aggravate the stomach ulcers, but other than that, there's no downside to giving her some Bene-Bac or other probiotic.

bpatters
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Post   » Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:41 am


The probiotic isn't actually likely to do anything for stomach ulcers. The stomach is too acidic for most bacteria to grow there, and probiotics are designed to replenish the bacteria lower in the gut.

In fact, there's an argument that goes that probiotics are useless because they don't survive the acidic environment of the stomach to be able to do any good in the intestines. but there are plenty of us who disagree.

samim21

Post   » Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:04 am


No probiotics but she also has not been on antibiotics for a few months. I don't think that will help the current situation since it doesn't seem to be a lower gut issue. Thank you for the suggestion though! She has been eating lettuce and started nibbling on cucumbers again so I think we are on the (very slow) upswing...

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