SEEKING ADVICE ON DIARRHEA

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Alison

Post   » Thu Jan 10, 2002 12:47 am


Thanks everyone.

The two piggies are not related. It´s hard to get the two together for a photo.

BB is silly but Fatty is very smart. Because BB is very sick, I pay almost full attention to her recently. Fatty is very jeaous of BB.

Sweet, yes, as long as you provide them with their favourite treats. Otherwise, they will come out of the cage and scream.

I will keep posting the latest news of BB. I hope the next post is a good one.

pinta

Post   » Thu Jan 10, 2002 2:07 am


As Evangeline said it doesn´t sound like your pig has been on Baytril for longer than a week at a time. By taking her off Baytril too soon, the bacteria may have a chance to get resistant. Before taking her off the baytril, talk to your vet and come up with a plan of action.

Has she been on the baytril for a full 2 weeks? It may even take 3 weeks. Or maybe she needs to be switched to a different drug, like Flagyl. For a proper culture to be done though, she needs to be off meds for approx. 3 days.

I think you need to discuss a plan of action with your vet. You have 3 choices that I can see:

1) Take her off all meds for 3 days so a clean culture can be done.

2) Keep her on Baytril for at least 2 weeks, maybe 3 weeks.

3) Switch meds.

The main benefit of #1 option is that you will be able to identify the bacteria present and find out exactly which drugs will be effective. The downside is that BB will be unmedicated and her diarrhea may return weakening her even further.

The downside of #2 is that she may lose appetite on Baytril - some do. The upside is that she has shown improvement on baytril so you know it is having some effect.

The downside of #3 is that you have no way of knowing without a culture if the drug you switch to will be the right one. The upside is that if it is - the problem is solved without delay.


You should continue feeding a poop a day as long as she is on meds. Choose the lighter, softer poops. Just mash the poop in about 1cc of water and syringe it down. Half a poop a day should do the trick if you can´t get a whole poop in her.

Make sure you keep her hydrated. Check with the vet to see if a hydration subcue treatment is in order.

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Alison

Post   » Thu Jan 10, 2002 6:23 am


Thanks, Pinta.

I will take option # 1 in order to identify the bacteria present and find out exactly which drugs will be effective.

I hope everything will be Okay (I will stop the Baytril tomorrow). If Diarrhea starts again, I will bring her immediately to the vet for culture.

Good luck is what I need at the moment!

pinta

Post   » Thu Jan 10, 2002 7:06 am


Before you stop the baytril, I think it would be wise to call your vet and discuss it with him first so he is in the loop. It is a lot easier to work "with" your vet than "against" him.

You could outline the options, and see if he agrees with your choice. If he doesn´t, he might have a valid reason why or even another option to suggest.

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Lynx
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Post   » Thu Jan 10, 2002 7:18 am


I whole heartedly agree with Pinta. The thing is, knowledge can help us a great deal but if you take things in your own hands, your vet may fight you -- not to mention you may have a good one who knows what he is doing and has reasons for doing so.

Definitely contact your vet. They don´t like to be second guessed. But this advice is sound and reasonable and he ought to agree with it.

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Alison

Post   » Thu Jan 10, 2002 8:45 am


In fact, I have brought BB to the vet last night. I let him have a look on her droppings. I confirm him one more time if the Baytril is to be stopped on Friday. Actually, a week on Baytril is the vet´s instruction.

I will phone him to discuss the advice of Lynx and see what will be the best to BB.

Thanks everyone.

pinta

Post   » Thu Jan 10, 2002 9:06 am


You might want to print out this thread for him to see. I currently have a pig who´s been on Baytril for 2 weeks and we might go 3. She has a stubborn URI that has already required a course of doxycycline. We believe two different bacteria are involved and since she is a heart patient, she is probably having a harder time throwing off the URI than a normal pig. And because she is a heart patient we have to make sure the URI is totally gone. Her immune system is such that if she relapses, it could be fatal.
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Seansfamily

Post   » Fri Jan 11, 2002 9:28 pm


Oh, my goodness what adorable pigs!

Did you take the photo?

I hope that BB is feeling better soon.

It can´t be much fun for you either. Besides trying to feed poop to a struggling pig, dealing with diarrhea-type excrement on a pig with such beautiful, long fur must be no picnic at all.

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Alison

Post   » Fri Jan 11, 2002 10:16 pm


Thanks, Seansfamily. Yes, I took the photo. The photo is also the wallpaper of my PC.

After discussion with the vet, we stopped the anti-biotics on Friday. Her droppings are a bit soft. However, BB keeps on eating a lot of Timothy Hay and drinking a lot of water.

I just got back from the vet. Confirmed no Giadia. My vet concluded that BB suffers from an imbalance intestinal baterial inside. My vet recommends to stop the anti-biotics and also not to change to other medicine. Instead, he gives BB the Kaopec Susp. Dosage: 1 ml twice a day. My vet said BB is already on too much and too long anti-biotics. He said BB should re-build her own intestinal baterial system. On top of the Kaopec Susp., my vet told me to feed her continuously with Critical Care. The friendly baterial of Critical Care should help BB.

I will keep an eye on BB and keep posted of her latest situation.

pinta

Post   » Sat Jan 12, 2002 12:54 am


Keep feeding poops from the healthy pig for a few more days.

Evangeline

Post   » Sat Jan 12, 2002 6:17 pm


Wouldn´t Baytril by injections be easier on her gut? Just an idea if, for some reason, she needs to be put back on antibiotics.

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Alison

Post   » Sat Jan 12, 2002 9:14 pm


We also try the Baytril injection before but that doesn´t help.

When I writing this message, she is eating the Timothy Hay. She seems fine with the KP medicine. The stools are ´in shape´. My vet told me the medicine slows down the food down her intestine. This provide an opportunity for the bacteria (from the Critical Care) to digest the grass. As a result, to rebuild the balance.

I have stopped the ´poop´. BB struggles a lot. I don´t want to hurt her. Thus, I give her the acidophilus instead. I have finished the acidophilus tablet before. The new acidophilus (brand : 21st Century) I can get in my area is in capsule form. Each capsule contains 115mg Lactobacillus Acidophilus. Any idea on portion that I have to give BB? I am thinking whether it is okay to add capsule into water and syringe down. 1/2 tablet twice a day? Is that Okay?

Since her diarrhea, BB has lost around 100 g. Hope she will get over the diarrhea and regain the loss.

I also read some other articles on ´antibiotic intolerance´ in this site. Not to the extent of ´intolerance´, however, BB seems to be controlled by anti-biotics. Yesterday, the vet said BB seems to be in better condition when on anti-biotics in my eyes only. The most important thing we have to do at the moment is to re-build the intestinal balance. Change of medicine is not recommended because no evidence on parasites, other serious bateria found. BB has to go through this difficult time. I will keep posting the news of BB.

Thanks.

pinta

Post   » Sat Jan 12, 2002 10:41 pm


Okay, I´m going to get tough now because it´s important. Read this very carefully:

** Nature has a better way! Poop from a healthy guinea pig is the best probiotic ever! I take one "pellet" and mix it with water and feed it by syringe. It sounds nasty but it has saved more pigs than I can count. Any time I have a pig with any sort of intestinal upset I do this. It is known as "re-seeding the gut flora". There are other names for it too. The beauty of it is that the poop has a special chemical in it that keeps it from being digested in the stomach so it makes it down to the colon, where the problem occurs. - Sharlene Scheffer (sp?) RVT

Sharlene knows what she is talking about. If you really want to rebuild the intestinal gut flora you will continue giving you pig poops. 1/2 a poop(or a whole poop) in 1 cc of water is not that tough to get in the pig. It´s not that big a deal for the pig to eat it. She eats them anyway, right? For her own good you have to be tough. The poop works better than the acidophilus the poop has a special chemical in it that keeps it from being digested in the stomach so it makes it down to the colon, where the problem occurs.

Do the right thing - not the convenient thing.
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Alison

Post   » Mon Jan 14, 2002 12:32 am


Pinta, I know you just want to help.

Okay, I will try again with the Poop. 1 per day. Right?

BB looks fine this morning, though, the stools are still soft.

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Alison

Post   » Fri Jan 18, 2002 1:24 pm


Hi, everyone!

I am pleased to tell you that BB is recovering. Her stool is normal. My vet told me to put her on KP medicine (gradual reduced dosage -- 0.5 ml twice a day for a week, 0.25 ml twice a day for another week, then off).

BB is bright and look ´healthy´. She is running around as before.

Thanks for the advice given by all of you.

Last but not the least, I believe there is guniea pig not positively react to anti-biotics. BB is just a case example. My vet comment Baytril does not work on BB. Instead, Dietary control and great care helps BB.


:D

Evangeline

Post   » Fri Jan 18, 2002 5:43 pm


Well, I don´t know your vet, but I´m not so such he really knows about cavies. It´s general knowledge that a week of Baytril on and off like that is bad news. I don´t know why your vet did this, but from where I sit, I´m not overly impressed.

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ricky

Post   » Fri Jan 18, 2002 6:31 pm


Although I have not had problems with severe diarrahea in my pigs, I did notice one of them had extremely mushy poops a couple months ago. I brought this to my vet´s attention, and since it was not an extreme case, she recommended small amounts of Metamucil, or a fiber supplement. Supermarkets sell fiber supplement crackers which my pigs like as a treat. I give them very little and supply water mixed with small amount of cranberry juice and that cleared the problem up.

Cranberries are a natural remedy for minor bowel/urinary problems, by the way, and the pigs love them as a treat. One of them had dark urine and the home remedy mentioned above cleared up all problems.

Again, I´m not suggesting this for serious cases.

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Lynx
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Post   » Fri Jan 18, 2002 7:46 pm


I wonder if the Metamucil helped or if it was just a coincidence. I´m glad it cleared up for you. I have never had to deal with diarrhea in my pigs.

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Alison

Post   » Thu Jan 31, 2002 9:28 am


BB starts diarrhea a few days ago!

Culture report shows no bad bacteria. The vet suspect she may suffer from inflammatory and therefore gives her an injection of anti-inflammatory (Dex???). I will bring her back to the vet on Saturday for re-check.

The vet suggests KP + Critical Care before the re-check. I add a dropping from the other pig.

Any idea on inflammatory?

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Lynx
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Post   » Thu Jan 31, 2002 10:17 am


It is discouraging to have continuing problems with the diarrhea. Will your guinea pig eat clean fresh grass? Right now, the fresh poop from a healthy guinea pig is probably your best method of getting the good bacteria reintroduced.

Keep us posted.

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